(March 8, 2016 at 8:43 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote:

(March 8, 2016 at 8:34 pm)AJW333 Wrote: In my understanding, free will without the possibility of carrying out the will is no free will at all.

Then, you can't plausibly say we have free will since there are countless ways in which one will find that the universe prohibits the expression of free will.

The universe is a bunch of planets, stars, suns moons etc. How are these responsible for influencing the decisions of man?

(March 8, 2016 at 8:43 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: God could have made rape as impossible as breathing ocean water.

But he didn't. He wants man to exercise his free will and to choose not to rape.

(March 8, 2016 at 8:43 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: The only other explanation is that God was not capable of achieving this, and that there are rules greater than God (which necessarily negates the concept of God as Christians imagine him).

I have the power to crush the spider in my kitchen. Just because I choose to pick it up and take it outside, that in no way diminishes my capacity or change who I am.

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(March 8, 2016 at 8:32 pm)abaris Wrote:

(March 8, 2016 at 8:30 pm)AJW333 Wrote: What is the point of prayer? That's like asking, "what's the point of conversation? Why bother talking to people?

People actually talk back, you know. Hearing voices in your head doesn't exactly qualify as conversation.

Conversing is simply an interchange of thoughts. Don't they say that the majority of communication is non-verbal?

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(March 8, 2016 at 8:47 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(March 8, 2016 at 8:34 pm)AJW333 Wrote: Check my post just previous to this one. By its very nature, the supernatural defies scientific explanation. It's like saying, "I demand you use this system to prove something that operates outside this system." How do we do that?

By examining and eliminating every other possibility first. As you have a science degree, you already know that. But that isn't even what I wrote. You're the one claiming to have evidence. Present it for examination, or face the sharp end of Hitchens' Razor.

At the risk of endlessly repeating myself , my wife and sister in law had the same dream about the same person, in the same location, at the same time having a heart attack which happened a week later. The chance of this being due to random chance is astronomically low. I've no idea what value you could put on it but a billion to one against this being random seems reasonable to me.

Given that what happened here was a precise description of a future event, I would say that it qualifies as supernatural. The fact that you don't, is up to you.

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(March 8, 2016 at 8:55 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote:

(March 8, 2016 at 8:49 pm)AJW333 Wrote: So how did DNA first form?

If you want a scientific answer to this, then you should first provide a scientific explanation to how your god formed.

You are obfuscating. I'll answer your question when you answer mine.

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(March 8, 2016 at 9:07 pm)abaris Wrote:

(March 8, 2016 at 8:34 pm)AJW333 Wrote: If the supernatural operates outside the laws of science, how can I prove it with science?

It doesn't operate at all, outside of hearsay and legend. And I asked you another question, which you never answered. Even if I gave you the possibility of the supernatural existing, why is the cause supposed to be your particular brand of god and not some other as of yet unexplained phenomena?

The scripture regularly predicts events that come true. As I look at the world today, it is exactly as the Bible predicted. I think the scripture has credibility because it reliably tells us the future. No other religion even comes close when it comes to accurate prophecy.

(March 9, 2016 at 6:29 am)AJW333 Wrote: The scripture regularly predicts events that come true. As I look at the world today, it is exactly as the Bible predicted. I think the scripture has credibility because it reliably tells us the future. No other religion even comes close when it comes to accurate prophecy.

And so does Nostradamus if you bend and shape the letters sufficiently. I've yet to see any supposed prophecy not being open to at least a dozen interpretations. This isn't like in the year XXXX some clear cut event will come to pass, but some obsucre verses that have been translated, edited and retranslated all over the world for at least 2000 years by now.

We've had an esteemed member calling himself the professor, who wasted his life away by interpreting the end of days coming last september. Going by bible verses, he bent to suit his particular brand of makebelief.

(March 8, 2016 at 11:43 pm)ronedee Wrote:

(February 27, 2016 at 3:31 am)Kitan Wrote: They ignore logic.  Not only that, they ignore it to the detriment of reason so that they can create these silly counter arguments that are not even logical.  

Oh, forgive me, their arguments are logical to them and their perpetually damaging delusion.

Christians only create, as they did their imaginary friend since the beginning of time, apologetics because they know they are on the loosing end, and they think they can somehow cling to something meaningful if more idiots follow their brand of idiocy.

Interesting that no one brought up the fact that Christians follow the dogma of Christ. No matter your belief system, the fact is: that true followers of Christ are just that; It has little to do with unknowns, mysteries or scientific facts. Its our way of life! 

So, you can all go on and on about "proof" all you want... but it does nothing to refute the dogma, or Word of Christ, or His [true] followers.

No... the problem is with atheists, or anti-theists who revel in tearing down any manner of the creationism ideology. Instead of looking for reasons and logic for a creator, there is always vicious rebelling against any inkling of it. Whether it be in: miracles, supernatural events, or witnessing. You never even consider that the creator wants it the way it is purposely.

Our lives as Christians are based on Faith, and the Words of Jesus Christ. That is ALL WE NEED! The only limits we have are our physical bodies.... and those we inflict on ourselves through sin and closed-mindedness. And this is accepted as Christians, to be all by design. 

Omni-whatever.... We are the masters of our own destiny! Whether He knows the results or not, God is still interactive in our lives and gives us every opportunity to act as Jesus did: To Love unconditionally... even our enemies. 

Jesus  said, "The kingdom is within."  Seek & you will find." Ask and the door will be open to you." So, the answer is not in a test tube, a hole in the ground, or some far reaches of the universe.... a religion or scientist. 

The Problem with Christians? Its the same answer for everyone.....

Its under our noses the whole time. But we continually refuse to acknowledge it. That is why we have Jesus! To constantly remind us that "Love" is the answer. The only true answer to solve all the problems and mysteries of this world.

What the flying fuck are you on about?

All the "love/jesus" in the world wont fill an empty stomach, cloth a bare ass, or put a roof between the top of your head and the rain.  The answer to our problems, when there even -is- an answer, is work.  When all the work is done...then perhaps, it might be okay to peddle some "jesus" off on the gullible. For all I care, people can go on -hating- each other unto infinity, so long as the work gets done. Prattle on about love being a solution with a full belly and sweater, in the comfort of your home.

AJW333 Wrote: I'm quite familiar with the periodic table. When I use the world 'dirt" it goes without saying that it would include any and all possible mineral/element combinations.

You still haven't specified your "science degree", you lying fuctard asshole!

(March 9, 2016 at 9:44 am)Rhythm Wrote: All the "love/jesus" in the world wont fill an empty stomach, cloth a bare ass, or put a roof between the top of your head and the rain.  The answer to our problems, when there even -is- an answer, is work.  When all the work is done...then perhaps, it might be okay to peddle some "jesus" off on the gullible.  For all I care, people can go on -hating- each other unto infinity, so long as the work gets done.  Prattle on about love being a solution with a full belly and sweater, in the comfort of your home.

The "love of Jesus" is surprisingly ineffective in cases of poisonous snake bites and poisonings.

Although I certainly wouldn't discourage  believers from attempting demonstrations otherwise.

(March 9, 2016 at 10:20 am)vorlon13 Wrote:

(March 9, 2016 at 9:44 am)Rhythm Wrote: All the "love/jesus" in the world wont fill an empty stomach, cloth a bare ass, or put a roof between the top of your head and the rain.  The answer to our problems, when there even -is- an answer, is work.  When all the work is done...then perhaps, it might be okay to peddle some "jesus" off on the gullible.  For all I care, people can go on -hating- each other unto infinity, so long as the work gets done.  Prattle on about love being a solution with a full belly and sweater, in the comfort of your home.

The "love of Jesus" is surprisingly ineffective in cases of poisonous snake bites and poisonings.

Although I certainly wouldn't discourage  believers from attempting demonstrations otherwise.

 

The person w/o Love walks past the snake bitten. No. w/o Love there would be no life, or reason to live. None.