So, if getting what I asked for is God saying "yes," and not getting it means God saying "no," then what exactly does an unanswered prayer look like?

(March 27, 2016 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(March 27, 2016 at 5:36 am)FebruaryOfReason Wrote: Does the success rate of your prayers show any observable, consistently reproducible difference from the success rate of just making random wishes that you don't address to any deity? Does the success rate differ if you address your prayers to Ganesh rather than God? I.e. have you conducted any control tests?

I don't concern myself with wishes, there just that, something with no hope of happening. Not even sure who Ganesh is an I suppose you don't either since you miss spelled the name but that aside God is the only God. How do I know, because no other God has ever come to me. The God of creation came to me offering me salvation and no matter how you want to twist this matter God does answer prayer, I've received answers in such a specific way that there was no doubt that God answered. God will prove himself to those who truly seek Him and want a real relationship with Him.

GC

Specifically how then? Exactly what answer did you get that could have come from no other source or be attributed to no other cause than the Christian god?

"God is the only God. How do I know, because no other God has ever come to me." By you own line of reasoning, Ganesh hasn't come to you because you didn't seek a real relationship with Ganesh.

(Google recognises my spelling of Ganesh as an alternative of Ganesha, BTW, and so does the spellchecker on this forum. He is the elephant god that nearly a billion Hindus believe in. They all believe in Ganesh, as you believe in the Christian god. They have their holy texts which tell them what is "true", just as you have your holy texts which tell you what is "true". See: http://www.manidweepa.org/teachings/gods...panishads/)

(March 27, 2016 at 11:10 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(March 27, 2016 at 8:34 am)Jello Wrote: I'm curious, GC. Why should your god, exist above all others?

To me it's all the same BS in different wrapping paper.

Because you wouldn't exist if He didn't. There are no other gods, if there were why haven't they contacted me in any way, just curious if you have some knowledge of why please let me know.

GC

"Because you wouldn't exist if Allah didn't exist"
"Because you wouldn't exist if Yahweh didn't exist"
"Because you wouldn't exist if Bhrama didn't exist"

No see you ASSUME with no evidence that you got the right one. So what, so does everyone else with different god claims.

(March 27, 2016 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: God will prove himself to those who truly seek Him and want a real relationship with Him.

GC

Too bad all those starving people living in third world countries or those tribal communities tucked way back, deep in a forest, who struggle to find food daily, don't know about YOUR god and prayer.

They all could have "prayers" for food answered in a snap. Cause that's how your god works, right?

No, sorry. If he existed at all, things like hunger and disease would be obsolete. He would take care of ALL persons on earth, regardless of their religious beliefs (or non-beliefs) because being the "loving" god you and others claim he is, he wouldn't want anyone to suffer.

In addition to that, prayer shouldn't even be required or necessary since god supposedly has a "plan" for each of us. So praying for the outcomes that WE want is really pointless since it's clearly not what HE wants, nor would it be part of his plan.

God + prayer = a completely stupid waste of time and there is zero proof that it works. Testimonials are subjective and can't be verified for their truthfulness or accuracy. Witnessing isn't proof of prayer working either since, again, it is subjective.

Admit it. There is no god. There is no plan. And prayer doesn't do shit. Anyone can make excuses for it all they want but answered prayers aren't real. The end result is always the result of someone actually doing something that accomplishes said desired result. You know, like doing the work required to solve a problem. No god ever steps in and uses their so-called omniscient powers to help out.

http://www.radbash.com/ganesha/

Quote:When I was in the hospital in 2005 and it was unclear what was wrong with me, but the doctors were thinking I might need to take Prednisone, an awful drug, I asked Lord Ganesha to prevent this, and vowed to give $108 (a Hindu holy number) to charity in His name if He granted my wish. Sure enough, very soon afterward the doctors came to a different (and for the first time correct) conclusion about what was wrong with me, and no more was said about Prednisone. I paid my vow off gratefully. Did Lord Ganesha cause that result? Ganesha If I hadn’t ever heard of Lord Ganesha, would the result have been different? I don’t have to answer that question.

How convenient! And of course, totally different from GC's line of reasoning!

(March 28, 2016 at 11:44 am)Nymphadora Wrote:

(March 27, 2016 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: God will prove himself to those who truly seek Him and want a real relationship with Him.

GC

Too bad all those starving people living in third world countries or those tribal communities tucked way back, deep in a forest, who struggle to find food daily, don't know about YOUR god and prayer.

That's why we go to those places as Jesus ask us to, there are benefits outside salvation we introduce others to.

Nymphadora Wrote:They all could have "prayers" for food answered in a snap. Cause that's how your god works, right?

No not really, we teach them how to farm ground and raise animals for food, this way they can provide food for themselves and their families and future generations. Christianity is a simple practice of teaching, you can find this throughout the NT. 

Nymphadora Wrote:No, sorry. If he existed at all, things like hunger and disease would be obsolete. He would take care of ALL persons on earth, regardless of their religious beliefs (or non-beliefs) because being the "loving" god you and others claim he is, he wouldn't want anyone to suffer.

He doesn't want anyone to suffer, however there is this sin thing that has brought suffering into the world and man continues with sin at a greater and greater rate. So there will always be suffering until sin is eliminated. Jesus himself told His disciples that we would always have the poor with us. If you hate so much to see the poor suffer then I'm supposing you are working to help them, if not shouldn't you, it is a man made problem after all.  

Nymphadora Wrote:In addition to that, prayer shouldn't even be required or necessary since god supposedly has a "plan" for each of us. So praying for the outcomes that WE want is really pointless since it's clearly not what HE wants, nor would it be part of his plan.

I see by this statement you made you're deficient in bible knowledge to an extreme amount. God's absolute will can't be changed, God's plan for any life is not set in stone, a person has free will and God will adjust the plan to help us in our ignorance of what's best. Prayer is not about what we want, prayer is about staying in the plan God has for us, this type of prayer is only for the Christian. God's not going to help those who deny He exists, He may have a plan for those who deny Him to help those who want to come to Him in salvation or strengthen those who already know God. If you think by denying God he will not use you, you're dead wrong. Prayer is part of having a relationship with Him, not for get what you want, it's not a credit card you can throw around. Be fore arguing pray you should learn what prayer really is. 

Nymphadora Wrote:God + prayer = a completely stupid waste of time and there is zero proof that it works. Testimonials are subjective and can't be verified for their truthfulness or accuracy. Witnessing isn't proof of prayer working either since, again, it is subjective.

It's verified in those individuals who have a living relationship with God and in actual truth that's really all that matters. You're trying to apply science to a spiritual life and it just doesn't work that way.

Nymphadora Wrote:Admit it. There is no god. There is no plan. And prayer doesn't do shit. Anyone can make excuses for it all they want but answered prayers aren't real. The end result is always the result of someone actually doing something that accomplishes said desired result. You know, like doing the work required to solve a problem. No god ever steps in and uses their so-called omniscient powers to help out.

I'll do no such thing Satan. God is real I know Him personally, He has revealed himself to me in ways that give me the knowledge of His existence, you should seek Him and find out what I know. You'll never know unless you seek Him out, you see I'm no fool, I'm a very practical person, pretty smart too, at least that's what those who know me say, I do not delude myself the practicality part of me prevents that, so there should be something to this, right?

GC

(March 28, 2016 at 10:31 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(March 27, 2016 at 11:10 pm)Godschild Wrote: Because you wouldn't exist if He didn't. There are no other gods, if there were why haven't they contacted me in any way, just curious if you have some knowledge of why please let me know.

GC

"Because you wouldn't exist if Allah didn't exist"
"Because you wouldn't exist if Yahweh didn't exist"
"Because you wouldn't exist if Bhrama didn't exist"

No see you ASSUME with no evidence that you got the right one. So what, so does everyone else with different god claims.

I have evidence, God has personally proven His existence to me, it doesn't matter whether you believe me or not, I still know He exists and your disbelief doesn't make Him imaginary, it does put you in dire straits though. God the creator is the only God to contact me, I've heard nothing from the rest of them and God says there are no other gods, so why shouldn't I believe there are no other gods, they've be absent from my life. If it's they don't care about me or want me then I don't need them either, right?

GC

GC

(March 28, 2016 at 10:05 am)FebruaryOfReason Wrote:

(March 27, 2016 at 10:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: I don't concern myself with wishes, there just that, something with no hope of happening. Not even sure who Ganesh is an I suppose you don't either since you miss spelled the name but that aside God is the only God. How do I know, because no other God has ever come to me. The God of creation came to me offering me salvation and no matter how you want to twist this matter God does answer prayer, I've received answers in such a specific way that there was no doubt that God answered. God will prove himself to those who truly seek Him and want a real relationship with Him.

GC

Specifically how then? Exactly what answer did you get that could have come from no other source or be attributed to no other cause than the Christian god?

Answers to questions about things I didn't understand in the Bible, questions of why God did or responded to a situation in scripture, things only God could explain, I'm still waiting on some answers and hope God sees that I should know the answers. I've prayed that God would take terminally ill people if He wasn't going to heal them, to take them before their suffering became to great and He responded on many of those requests, even with my own dad.

FOR Wrote:"God is the only God. How do I know, because no other God has ever come to me." By you own line of reasoning, Ganesh hasn't come to you because you didn't seek a real relationship with Ganesh.

I sought God only when He first came to me, the scriptures tell us that God comes to us calling us to Himself, that's when our search starts, sorry I didn't make this clear, sometimes I assume that others know what the Bible says.

FOR Wrote:(Google recognises my spelling of Ganesh as an alternative of Ganesha, BTW, and so does the spellchecker on this forum. He is the elephant god that nearly a billion Hindus believe in. They all believe in Ganesh, as you believe in the Christian god. They have their holy texts which tell them what is "true", just as you have your holy texts which tell you what is "true". See: http://www.manidweepa.org/teachings/gods...panishads/)

 
 The reason I said you misspelled this god's name was that spell check showed the spelling incorrect. Sorry. I understand other religions have their religious text, I also understand that many millions of those billion do not know how to read and take what's told them as truth. That's why the reformers wanted the Bible translated into many different languages so people could read it for themselves and seek the truth of God.

GC

If you want to continue to believe in that lie, fine. Just don't keep trying to convince people of rational thought about your delusions (ie: this forum).

They have religious forums for that. If you want to debate with verifiable evidence that your arguments are sound and that they make sense, by all means, bring it on. But telling us of your convictions without providing to us, some sort of evidence that we can use, then forget it. The discussion needs to end with that.

(March 28, 2016 at 7:24 am)Jello Wrote: But for reals, GC, that's a pretty dumb way of looking at it

 Really care to explain why and then answer my question.

GC