Alright. So it popped into my mind, I remembered around a year ago I read that being homosexual isn't a choice. (Love is chemical reactions not under your control, so homosexual people's bodies release those chemicals for the same sex unlike heterosexual, correct me if I'm wrong).
And religion says that homosexuality is a sin/is haram.

So what's the big issue for religion here? Well, if homosexuality isn't a choice at the same time it's a sin and you'll go to hell for being homosexual, then homosexual people literally have no choice but to go to hell. Right?
It's very much as if God said that being born blind, having cancer, or being shorter than 175 centimeters is a sin/is haram and you'll go to hell for it. You might say "but being homosexual isn't the same thing as being blind, getting cancer or being shorter than 175 cms" It is in the same sense that none of them are a choice, really. (Also before you bash at me for comparing homosexuality to being blind, cancer etc. I'm just using them as examples for not being a choice, I am in no way a homophobe, and I respect homosexual people).

So how logical, moral, just is it that God gives no choice to some people but to go to hell?

Does it matter?

A lot of things Christians do today would be considered immoral to Christians back in the middle ages.

(March 29, 2016 at 9:21 am)Red_Wind Wrote: Does it matter?

A lot of things Christians do today would be considered immoral to Christians back in the middle ages.

Exactly. I mean we all know about the affairs, the straight fornication, the drugs, the list goes on...

The OP is right though, many people have pointed out this fallacy with religion before.

I also think that the whole "choice" aspect of homosexuality says absolutely nothing about whether it's "moral". You can think homosexuality is a choice (which in itself doesn't offend me, tbh), but there's still no real moral grounds to be against it based on that.

It's also "unnatural" and "a choice" to wake up in the morning with a roof over your head, put clothes on and drive you car to work. Is that immoral? If people are so caught up on "what's natural" they should be living naked out in the forest somewhere.

(March 29, 2016 at 9:02 am)RozKek Wrote: Alright. So it popped into my mind, I remembered around a year ago I read that being homosexual isn't a choice. (Love is chemical reactions not under your control, so homosexual people's bodies release those chemicals for the same sex unlike heterosexual, correct me if I'm wrong).
And religion says that homosexuality is a sin/is haram.

So what's the big issue for religion here? Well, if homosexuality isn't a choice at the same time it's a sin and you'll go to hell for being homosexual, then homosexual people literally have no choice but to go to hell. Right?
It's very much as if God said that being born blind, having cancer, or being shorter than 175 centimeters is a sin/is haram and you'll go to hell for it. You might say "but being homosexual isn't the same thing as being blind, getting cancer or being shorter than 175 cms" It is in the same sense that none of them are a choice, really. (Also before you bash at me for comparing homosexuality to being blind, cancer etc. I'm just using them as examples for not being a choice, I am in no way a homophobe, and I respect homosexual people).

So how logical, moral, just is it that God gives no choice to some people but to go to hell?

Well some say, that we are just mindless robots, who don't really have a choice or are responsible for anything.  

Apart from that however; I think that the issue, is where we do have a choice.   And if this distinction isn't made then the same argument can be made for the rapist and pedophile.

(March 29, 2016 at 9:02 am)RozKek Wrote: Alright. So it popped into my mind, I remembered around a year ago I read that being homosexual isn't a choice. (Love is chemical reactions not under your control, so homosexual people's bodies release those chemicals for the same sex unlike heterosexual, correct me if I'm wrong).
And religion says that homosexuality is a sin/is haram.

So what's the big issue for religion here? Well, if homosexuality isn't a choice at the same time it's a sin and you'll go to hell for being homosexual, then homosexual people literally have no choice but to go to hell. Right?
It's very much as if God said that being born blind, having cancer, or being shorter than 175 centimeters is a sin/is haram and you'll go to hell for it. You might say "but being homosexual isn't the same thing as being blind, getting cancer or being shorter than 175 cms" It is in the same sense that none of them are a choice, really. (Also before you bash at me for comparing homosexuality to being blind, cancer etc. I'm just using them as examples for not being a choice, I am in no way a homophobe, and I respect homosexual people).

So how logical, moral, just is it that God gives no choice to some people but to go to hell?

Here's the thing sport...

We are all sinners on the same level of sin as all homosexuals. All are going to Hell. Not because of something A&E did thousands of years ago, but because of the sin we knowingly do and do not repent of.

It's not sin that sends one to Hell. it is unrepented sin (Which Paul in Romans 1 and 2 defines as Evil) that sends us to Hell. Evil has little to do with severity of sin. it has to do with the love of one's sin of choice and their personal justification of it, or rather their making sin 'moral.' (Ie, your first paragraph) That makes sin Evil. Sin all sin can be forgiven, if one repents, Evil will not be forgiven, simply because inorder for one to be evil they must justify their sins (make it moral) and if a sin is justified in one's mind he will never repent of it.

If youre gay, fine be gay, but know it is sin. do not justify it. Always know and accept it is what it is so if and when you do want to turn from it and repent you can. If you make sin (any sin) right in your heart you seal your fate.

Again being gay is not any worse than any other sin. All unrepentant sin gets cast into the same Hell.

Like Drippy Doodle just said, spewing his shit about his imaginary sky-daddy and laughing about other people's pain . . . 

Yep.  That's what priests have told me.  I'm gay, that's not my fault, it's not a choice, and I can't help it.  But, oh, it's a sin anyway.  So, apparently, god chose me for a life of celibate service to god.  The priests literally said that as long as I never engaged in homosexual acts, I could go to heaven.  So gay people, according to most priests, will go to hell if they do not choose a celibate religious life.  Yes, god made you that way, but you can never have a loving physical relationship with another human being.  (shakes head)  The mental hoops these people will jump through to justify their imaginary friend - - just astounding.  Or should we say, unbelievable?

(March 29, 2016 at 9:27 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Apart from that however; I think that the issue, is where we do have a choice.   And if this distinction isn't made then the same argument can be made for the rapist and pedophile.

Homosexuality - Consensual sex between adults of the same sex.

Rape and Pedophilia - Someone forcing themselves onto an unwilling victim and leaving them traumatised.

"the same argument can be made for the rapist and pedophile."

No. Just no.

(March 29, 2016 at 9:31 am)Yeauxleaux Wrote:

(March 29, 2016 at 9:27 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Apart from that however; I think that the issue, is where we do have a choice.   And if this distinction isn't made then the same argument can be made for the rapist and pedophile.

Homosexuality - Consensual sex between two adults of the same sex.

Rape and Pedophilia - Someone forcing themselves onto an unwilling victim and leaving them traumatised.

"the same argument can be made for the rapist and pedophile."

No. Just no.

I think you are focusing on a different aspect than I was....Most everyone I know, isn't going to say that someone is going to be condemned for an attraction, it is going to focus on the acting on, and feeding that attraction that is wrong.

(March 29, 2016 at 9:21 am)Red_Wind Wrote: Does it matter?

A lot of things Christians do today would be considered immoral to Christians back in the middle ages.

I'm just trying to point out a contradiction. An all knowing God would be smart enough to not make homosexuality a sin since it's not a choice.

(March 29, 2016 at 9:27 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(March 29, 2016 at 9:02 am)RozKek Wrote: Alright. So it popped into my mind, I remembered around a year ago I read that being homosexual isn't a choice. (Love is chemical reactions not under your control, so homosexual people's bodies release those chemicals for the same sex unlike heterosexual, correct me if I'm wrong).
And religion says that homosexuality is a sin/is haram.

So what's the big issue for religion here? Well, if homosexuality isn't a choice at the same time it's a sin and you'll go to hell for being homosexual, then homosexual people literally have no choice but to go to hell. Right?
It's very much as if God said that being born blind, having cancer, or being shorter than 175 centimeters is a sin/is haram and you'll go to hell for it. You might say "but being homosexual isn't the same thing as being blind, getting cancer or being shorter than 175 cms" It is in the same sense that none of them are a choice, really. (Also before you bash at me for comparing homosexuality to being blind, cancer etc. I'm just using them as examples for not being a choice, I am in no way a homophobe, and I respect homosexual people).

So how logical, moral, just is it that God gives no choice to some people but to go to hell?

Well some say, that we are just mindless robots, who don't really have a choice or are responsible for anything.  

Apart from that however; I think that the issue, is where we do have a choice.   And if this distinction isn't made then the same argument can be made for the rapist and pedophile.

Wrong.
Rape is punishable because rape by definition involves no consent.
Pedophilia is punishable because it involves a party that is not old enough to give consent.

Homosexuality on the other hand is two males getting into a relationship with consent .
Please don't grace us with any more examples will ya?