So are we going to have rivaling threads?

Nope..this is a world wide progressive section that all left leaners can subscribe to. I will be dealing with world wide progressivism, as well as American.

Reverend Wrote:Progressives are NOT Communists! We also get upset at the mention of assuming we are Communists!

What if I am a pinko commie bastard?

Quote:Progressives are NOT Socialists! We also get upset at the mention of assuming we are Socialists!

I absolutely am a socialist.

Quote:Progressives are NOT Nazi or Fascist! Progressivism was created to specifically oppose Fascism!

Void seems to think I'm a fascist.

Wiki Wrote:Progressivism is a political attitude favoring or advocating changes or reform through governmental action. Progressivism is often viewed in opposition to conservative or reactionary ideologies. The Progressive Movement began in cities with settlement workers and reformers who were interested in helping those facing harsh conditions at home and at work. The reformers spoke out about the need for laws regulating tenement housing and child labor. They also called for better working conditions for women.

First line works well enough through all three of the things you say it is not. Socialism is not necessarily conservative, and I also don't think communism has shown to be considerably conservative (i mean... it was introduced through a few revolts and all...). Fascists are typically conservative, doesn't mean they have to be.

So... progressives are misguided socialists?

Bahahahaha that's hilarious, what a retard.

(April 12, 2011 at 8:51 am)theVOID Wrote: Bahahahaha that's hilarious, what a retard.

In a somewhat defense for Mike Savage, he screens his callers, and the list specified what she was calling about...so he wasnt randomly going ape shit on her.

With that said, if he didnt want to deal with her, why didnt he just ignore the call "and we're moving on". I have lots of experience in talk radio, acting, producing, and editing wise. This man OBVIOUSLY wanted to do what he did. This wasnt a spur of the moment thing. He was planning on blowing up at somebody before he even started the show. He knows his ratings are dropping, so he wants to get some free publicity by acting the ass.

This strategy doesnt always work out to your advantage.

Sae Wrote:What if I am a pinko commie bastard?

I always imagined "pinko" to be a "watered down red", like a half assed Communist. Its right wing authoritarian types who tend to use the word "pinko". I think they use it to say that Commie bastards are feminised, or gay, or weak or something. LOL, who knows? I have been called a "pinko commie" as well. Communists are usually authoritarians, and Progressives dont like extremism or authoritarianism. Usually when I tell them that, they are scratching their heads. Apparently Glenn Beck forgot to mention that. Glenn Beck also forgot to mention that "Conservative Libertarian" is LESS like Classic Libertarianism and more like Fascism (sans the overt claims of racism and eugeneics). Funny how he screams "Nazi" at everything that isnt Nazi..dont you think?

Sae Wrote:I absolutely am a socialist.

I tend to get along more with Socialists than Communists. It doesnt mean I agree with them. I just see a bit more common ground with them than I do Communists. Some say Socialism is the same as Communism, but I disagree.Even Marx said that Socialism and Communism are different. Then again, Marx is a bit over rated if you ask me. It didnt take long for people (er...dictators more like it) to start changing his ideas and then adding their names to it.

Sae Wrote:Void seems to think I'm a fascist.

Void is smart. Very smart. I've got a lot of respect for him and you Sae. I will put my foot down and say that Fascism isnt any where near Socialism. Fascism glorified and legitimized the war pigs and the war profiteers and claimed it under "the workers" for "socialism". Sort of like how some right wing groups ride the popularity of the name "Progressive" to get into power in some countries. The only thing "progressive" about them is their party name.

Sae Wrote:First line works well enough through all three of the things you say it is not. Socialism is not necessarily conservative, and I also don't think communism has shown to be considerably conservative (i mean... it was introduced through a few revolts and all...). Fascists are typically conservative, doesn't mean they have to be.

First line is merely a statement of fact for Progressives. I have added a bit more information to the intro page since you have posted. What you read was my basic to get the page started. I plan on upgrading the introduction page every now and then.

Authoritarianism is a form of social organization characterized by submission to authority. It is opposed to individualism and democracy. In politics, an authoritarian government is one in which political power is concentrated in a leader or leaders, typically unelected by the people, who possess exclusive, unaccountable, and arbitrary power. Authoritarianism differs from totalitarianism in that social and economic institutions exist that are not under the government's control

Authoritarianism is characterized by highly concentrated, and centralized power maintained by political repression and the exclusion of potential challengers. It uses political parties and mass organizations to mobilize people around the goals of the state.[3]

Authoritarianism emphases the rule of man over the rule of law, it includes election rigging, political decisions being made by a select group of unelected officials behind closed doors, a bureaucracy that operates independently of rules, which does not properly supervise elected officials, and fails to serve the concerns of the constituencies they purportedly serve. Authoritarianism also embraces the informal and unregulated exercise of political power, a leadership that is "self-appointed and even if elected cannot be displaced by citizens' free choice among competitors," the arbitrary deprivation of civil liberties, and little tolerance for meaningful opposition


Why didnt she understand "Authoritarian", yet speak of Stalin in the same post? Methinks she is trying to test me.

Sae Wrote:Do you progressives draw the line of life at the point of its 'conception' like moronic anti-abortionists, or do you wait until a human can survive without leeching on a mother from inside?

We debate it here and there. But most of us disagree with the "conception" line. As far as I am concerned a woman can terminate her pregnancy any time she wants. Some do the "leaching" or "Pain" thing. We oppose making abortion illegal, and for the most part try to give as much freedom to the woman as possible.

Sae Wrote:I have a rather unique understanding of ownership... if you ask someone else to protect a thing for you: it isn't yours. If you ask this of a government, you have stated that it is the government which owns a thing, and that you would be grateful if they let you use it.

Well, if you want to get all philosophical on me, as far as I am concerned, nobody really owns ANYTHING, especially their own lives.

That doesnt bode well for society

So property must be protected. There is nothing wrong with protecting things, and society as a whole protecting things as well. I know how you feel about "rights", but I allow you the right to question them, and I will protect your right to do so. See? Thats how it works. Then we all get along and not stab, rape, and murder each other.

Criminal are a different story. Treating our criminals with kindness is a mark of a beneficial society. Surely you can see that..well, maybe you cant.

Sae Wrote:So... progressives are capitalists with socialistic policies (the 'survival net'). Seems that socialists can have a progressive stance on their socialism easily. But it seems I am right: progressives are misguided socialists Please don't take that seriously, I say it in jest

Thats okay Sae. The word "socialism" doesnt scare me. Democratic Socialists and I get along just fine, with a few disagreements of course. I might even talk them into sparing your life once they find out what you have REALLY been doing all these years.