(May 12, 2016 at 9:41 am)Drich Wrote: - if one could use the bible to reconcile "evolution" with creation?

(May 12, 2016 at 9:41 am)Drich Wrote:

(May 9, 2016 at 6:39 pm)paulpablo Wrote: I grew up as a Christian and have been put off that god by the stories of Adam and Eve and floods vs what I've learned from other sources of information about evolution and reality.  Basically the stories of the bible, how they sound pretty made up, they involve magic, talking animals, illogical scenarios.

First impressions count the most, and my first impressions involving stories of God are already tarnished.  Add to that experience of debating with Muslims who have pretty much identical illogical stories.

Other than that I don't have a core disbelief in god really, I just see no evidence yet to say there's a god.

and if one could use the bible to reconcile "evolution" with creation?

(May 9, 2016 at 6:39 pm)Aroura Wrote: I had lots of little things that bothered me as a tween, teen and young adult. The bible having horrible lessons as well as contradictions was one, but even that and all the stupid answers from clergy and other adults did not kill my belief,  just moved it towards deism.

I think the thing that got me, and still gets me most, is realizing Zeus and Posidon and Odin and Ra were all manmade...therefore so are all of them. A modern day priest sprinkling holy water on a person and speaking a benediction is not in any way different from an ancient priest doing whatever their magic rites called for.

Then along came Q, and I realized this hypothetical alien fit most definitions of a god. So even if it turns out there is a conciousness that created us, it would just be another form of life. Advanced technology seems like magic and all that. Nothing "supernatural" exists, nor can it. It's a nonsense word. If there is magic, or dragons, or gods, or telekinesis, it would turn out in all cases that they have a natural causes and/or explanations, just like it has with everything else.

(May 9, 2016 at 7:12 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: The contradictions.

The fact that they need apologetics to explain their deity's "actions".

The fact that many of the claims have been proved wrong and there's no supporting evidence.

The fact that there are thousands of different denominations of the same religion.

(May 9, 2016 at 8:29 pm)energizer bunny Wrote: i don't have a convincing reason for not believing in god. If god exist, great. If god doesn't exist, great. I remain neutral, neither for nor against the idea of a god. It doesn't have any impact on me. For me its religion that i strongly disbelieve. I find it very limiting, manipulative, and ignorant to reality. Religion condemns the authentic nature of man. Creating a division within themselves and against others which causes conflict within and without. Using god, Jesus, and others as a means to control people.

(May 12, 2016 at 9:24 am)Drich Wrote:

(May 9, 2016 at 10:12 am)pocaracas Wrote: If there was a deity that wanted us to worship it, it would make itself known to us ALL.
As it stands, faulty human psychology seems to have been at work and generated all the presently known mythologies.

I'm open to "believing", if everyone suddenly starts "believing" in the same one deity (or deity group)... and, by believing, I mean "knowing".

And if that deity doesn't want "All" to worship him? What would he do then?

(May 9, 2016 at 9:40 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(May 9, 2016 at 8:29 pm)energizer bunny Wrote: i don't have a convincing reason for not believing in god. If god exist, great. If god doesn't exist, great. I remain neutral, neither for nor against the idea of a god. It doesn't have any impact on me. For me its religion that i strongly disbelieve. I find it very limiting, manipulative, and ignorant to reality. Religion condemns the authentic nature of man. Creating a division within themselves and against others which causes conflict within and without. Using god, Jesus, and others as a means to control people.

The purpose of religion is to get people to obey and to conform.  The local bigwigs are associated with the favorite local deity.  Consequently people must obey the local bigwig because he was appointed by the local deity to rule over the herd of dummies.  So when the local bigwig tells the herd of dummies to suit up and go charging over the hill to kill their neighbors they are doing the deity's will.  That's something they would be less inclined to do unless they are common outlaw killers and thieves.

Jeremiah 3:15 (CEV) = "Then I’ll appoint wise rulers who will obey me, and they will care for you like shepherds."

(May 12, 2016 at 9:40 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote:

(May 11, 2016 at 9:45 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Yeah it's always fun making people do that. Then on the other hand I really ought to eschew obfuscation more often.

It's a fumblerule too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fumblerules

The above Wiki Wrote:

• "Never use no double negatives."

• "Eschew obfuscation."

• "Prepositions are not words to end a sentence with."

• "Avoid clichés like the plague."

• "The passive voice should never be employed."

• "You should not use a big word when a diminutive one would suffice."

• "It is bad to carelessly split infinitives."

• "No sentence fragments."

• "Parentheses are (almost always) unnecessary."

• "English is the crème de la crème of all languages."

Fumblerules are hilarious.

Self-referential humor is just the best. Especially with the edition of it being used in an ironic way to demonstrate something, like with these fumble rules.

It's just the fucking best. The cat's pajamas. The bee's knees. The dog's bollocks. The mutt's nuts. The fertile turtles.

SillyTurtleMakingAFumbleRule Wrote:It is always important to at all times reduce and decrease and have less of all the unecessary and needless redundancies (or just plain redundancy full stop. Period). so they are decreased and reduced to make sure and double check and be certain that they are not redundant or tautological or like an unmarried bachelor or that they repeat or reiterate or restate the same point over and over on and on, filling your statement and your point and what you are saying with lots of words that basically reference the same thing and stuff over and over again and again, if you know what I mean, if you catch my drift, if you get what I'm saying.

(May 9, 2016 at 11:45 pm)Losty Wrote: There now that that's over. I wish I had some cool interesting thing but I don't know anything convincing. My only convincing thing is a lack of convincing reasons to believe in god.