RE: Most personally convincing reasons you don't believe.
May 18, 2016 at 10:09 am
(This post was last modified: May 18, 2016 at 10:10 am by Drich.)
(May 17, 2016 at 2:53 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Sure, sure, nothing but excuses.
https://atheistforums.org/thread-20378-post-492255.html
apophenia Wrote:
[quote='(12th August 2013, 11:59)Drich Wrote:']
So again if someone out of the blue were to lay out every major event in your life, and told you He was from God, and gave you a list of things to focous on, would you brush it off even if everything he said started to unfold as he said it, or would you do as you were instructed?
If in your heart of hearts you would brush it off, then ask yourself why God would bother saying anything to you?
A Link to my Messenger/Message thread. (Angel story) https://atheistforums.org/thread-13378.html
(emphasis mine)
In your original retelling of the story, you wrote that he claimed to be a psychic (his words) and that he asked if you wanted to hear what the Lord had in store for you. You inferred that he was an angel from him interrupting his talking when you thought in your mind that he must be an angel, and that he responded "something like that." According to your original retelling, he did not say he was an angel from God, and since you don't know for certain why he responded with the "something like that" comment, you cannot be sure he meant to affirm that he was an angel or indeed what, if anything, he was affirming. Now a year later, you claim he told you that he was from God. Just as the stories in the Gospels get more elaborate and involved with the retelling from Mark to John, so your story has developed and grown. I wonder now if you even had a dream of hell, or if, as is not uncommon, you imagined a dream or an encounter with this man, and later mistook it for a memory. Regardless, your testimony is obviously not worth a plug nickel. This is the sort of embellishment one might expect of both misremembered tales as well as made up bullshit. Since it's obvious your tale has grown with the retelling over the course of a year, we have every reason to suspect that nothing like what you recounted a year ago actually happened, and every reason to believe you are just another victim of your own ego and self-deception. Thanks for confirming what we already knew.
Taken from the above linked thread, "messenger/message"
Drich Wrote:At this point we traveled less than a mile and I was absolutely dumb founded, I thought to myself this Guy must be my guardian angel. Then He stopped mid sentence looked me square in the eye and said: "something like that." Then He proceeded to tell me of my future, what God was going to do for me, what was required of me, and what was expected in return. (Don't like to go into details because many tell me I am conceded or foolish to think God will use me in these ways when I do share.)To which i now say:
If He were not FROM GOD Then How would He then be able to tell me What God would do in my life?
(May 17, 2016 at 1:27 pm)Drich Wrote: Love to
Mt 25:41 41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
2thess 1:9 9 They will suffer the punishment of peternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,
That's weak sauce, Drich. Of course hell is going to be away from God, that doesn't in any way support that the suffering consists in the privation, and not the eternal fire which is mentioned in your very quote.
Again nothing I ever said excluded pain. I describe pain beyond anything comprehensible in this life. I simple said Hell is separation From God (inferring) that separation was the cause of said pain, not physical fire.
(May 17, 2016 at 1:27 pm)Drich Wrote: Because it was the closest thing 'we' could identify with. If you go beyond a google check Hell is also described
"the pit, The Second Death, The Void, it is also described as a prison containing 'Caves of Darkness'/Where the fallen angels are kept until the final judgement. The Idea of Gehenna was a place where things/unwanted things or even bodies were burned/destroyed. This is the physical picture of the Spiritual destruction of Soul, mind and body is what the physical place was meant for us to process or understand what happened on a spiritual level.
Quote:You're reading between the lines, dearie. Nowhere is this said in the bible. That's your invention.So your saying an accurate reading means the 'unforgiving' will be sent to the literal fire pits of Gehenna?
That would be wrong as another attribute of Hell is described in several placed in the book of Revelation starting at Chapter 9 It is refered to as the bottomless pit. Last time I checked there are no 'bottomless pits' possible on the planet. Therefore the physical location of the actually historical site of Gehenna is not the physical location of Hell. Therefore it would stand to reason that 'reading between the lines' is the only option left to us. Eg.. Hell is a spiritual version of the physical Gehenna. Couple that with what I experienced and I have biblical support for my 'dream/vision.'
(May 17, 2016 at 1:27 pm)Drich Wrote: Please this is what I am looking for. What of genesis day 3 did i say that is wrong?
https://atheistforums.org/thread-41813-p...pid1221460
I don't see a problem here.
You made an arguement that supports what you believe, and I supplied BCV that shows you that your wrong. You dropped the subject. How does any of that show me I am wrong? Are you under the impression because you do not fully understand or you will not take the time to consider what I have said that somehow it makes me wrong? If so how so?
(May 17, 2016 at 1:27 pm)Drich Wrote: You want to address me topically I will go as long as your willing to respond.
Quote:Fine, then let's address your interpretation of A/S/K. You claim that this is a guaranteed method of finding the holy spirit. Yet when people tell you that they have indeed sought God for a long time and found nothing, you discount this as them not having had a correct, biblical vision of God. In the first place, it says "seek and you shall find" -- no qualifications. These people did seek and did not find. Your rationalization as to why they didn't find is supposedly based on the parable of the wise and foolish builders, that those who have an incorrect vision of God are like the foolish builders. Well let's look and see what the parable says.
post 373 answers this question. https://atheistforums.org/thread-42987-page-38.html
Quote:The Wise and Foolish Builders
24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”
Matthew 5:24-27
Quote:It specifically states that the foolish builders are those who hear his words at the sermon on the mount and fail to put them into practice. Nothing about a 'correct' vision of the biblical God. And I would think that the people who were serious Christians for a long time are a better judge of their adherence to the sermon on the mount than you are. In fact, in the sermon Jesus instructs people how to 'seek' God, in the form of the Lord's prayer. It would be audacious of you to claim that these previously serious Christians were unacquainted with the Lord's prayer. Regardless, the parable of the wise and foolish builder does not offer you support for claiming that God is looking for any 'correct' vision of God. What is your scriptural basis for this claim?Mat 7...
24 “Whoever hears these teachings of mine and obeys them is like a wise man who built his house on rock. 25 It rained hard, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house. But it did not fall because it was built on rock.
26 “Whoever hears these teachings of mine and does not obey them is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 It rained hard, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house. And it fell with a loud crash.”
28 When Jesus finished speaking, the people were amazed at his teaching. 29 He did not teach like their teachers of the law. He taught like someone who has authority.
Who is God if not the Teachings found in the bible??How can we know God if not for the teachings of Christ Himself and what has subsequently been recorded in scripture?
How then can one know God and not know what has been taught about Him?
If one knows what Jesus says in the bible, but one's 'religion' teaches something else, then is he like the wise or foolish man if he follows what the religion says over the teachings of Christ?
Like wise if one see and hears a teaching in the bible, and ignores or moves away from a religion that teaches the oppsite, Will his faith stand or fall when tested?
