(May 27, 2016 at 6:10 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(May 27, 2016 at 11:54 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: If you are a Christian you're definitely going to hell for being an intolerant prick.

The Bible didn't exist until an English committee wrote it around 700 A.D.

 You're not very intelligent are you, all the books of the NT were finished by the end of the first century.

GC

They may have been written but they were not in the Bible and they were not in anything resembling their current format.

(May 27, 2016 at 6:38 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(May 27, 2016 at 6:16 pm)Jehanne Wrote: This is absolutely false; 2 Peter was clearly authored in the early to mid 2nd-century:

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Epistle_of_Peter

 Peter didn't live that long and we do not have an original copy to date either.

GC

Methuselah lived for 969 years, didn't he?    BTW, which flood survivor told that story?

(May 27, 2016 at 6:10 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(May 27, 2016 at 11:54 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: If you are a Christian you're definitely going to hell for being an intolerant prick.

The Bible didn't exist until an English committee wrote it around 700 A.D.

 You're not very intelligent are you, all the books of the NT were finished by the end of the first century.

GC

That's very funny coming from an idiot who thinks that shit was real, G-C.

(May 23, 2016 at 9:58 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: Sorry, Drickleberry, but that still doesn't count for several possibilities.


For one, the body might not have made it to the tomb because the Romans just decided to pitch it instead of handing it over to Joseph of Aramathea. It could have been stolen by someone who wasn't a follower. It could have been stolen by a minor follower who didn't tell anyone else.


Or maybe it's just a story. Or 4 stories that differ from each other wildly, especially when we get to the important part (the ending).

Yeah, someone would have seen if the body of Jesus was removed from the cross or the tomb.

The Jews and Romans where familiar with the prophecies and at least the Jews would have been hell bent on making sure he stayed dead.

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Also, I should also say we don't know anything about Joseph of Arimathea except the one reference to him in the account that labels him as a "secret follower". So it could actually be that he was an associate of the family of Jesus - perhaps a close relative or family friend, and that over the course of the next two decades with the story of the crucifixion of Jesus told and re-told the early Christians didn't know who he was and incorrectly concluded/assumed that he was a follower of Jesus.

Quote:Also, I should also say we don't know anything about Joseph of Arimathea except the one reference to him in the account that labels him as a "secret follower".

Yes, and even worse is that history and archaeology cannot identify any place called "Arimathea."   And even worse than that the usage X of Y is not consistent with the Jewish aristocracy which would have been the patronymic X son of Y.

All in all it just looks like they had to invent a character who would get jesus' sorry ass down off the cross.

(May 28, 2016 at 1:10 am)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Also, I should also say we don't know anything about Joseph of Arimathea except the one reference to him in the account that labels him as a "secret follower".

Yes, and even worse is that history and archaeology cannot identify any place called "Arimathea."   And even worse than that the usage X of Y is not consistent with the Jewish aristocracy which would have been the patronymic X son of Y.

All in all it just looks like they had to invent a character who would get jesus' sorry ass down off the cross.

Arimathea was supposedly about a day's travel (20 miles) from Jerusalem.  It seems silly to think that a guy who lived a day away would have a tomb in another city when the practice was to entomb the corpse immediately.

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(May 28, 2016 at 12:17 am)Aractus Wrote: Also, I should also say we don't know anything about Joseph of Arimathea except the one reference to him in the account that labels him as a "secret follower". So it could actually be that he was an associate of the family of Jesus - perhaps a close relative or family friend, and that over the course of the next two decades with the story of the crucifixion of Jesus told and re-told the early Christians didn't know who he was and incorrectly concluded/assumed that he was a follower of Jesus.

Old Joe grabbed the body and ate it because he believed Jesus when Jesus said that he would gain eternal life by eating his flesh and drinking his blood.

(May 27, 2016 at 10:04 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote:

(May 23, 2016 at 9:58 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: Sorry, Drickleberry, but that still doesn't count for several possibilities.


For one, the body might not have made it to the tomb because the Romans just decided to pitch it instead of handing it over to Joseph of Aramathea. It could have been stolen by someone who wasn't a follower. It could have been stolen by a minor follower who didn't tell anyone else.


Or maybe it's just a story. Or 4 stories that differ from each other wildly, especially when we get to the important part (the ending).

Yeah, someone would have seen if the body of Jesus was removed from the cross or the tomb.

The Jews and Romans where familiar with the prophecies and at least the Jews would have been hell bent on making sure he stayed dead.

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

You do realise that Yeshua fulfilled exactly none of the jewish prophesies, right? Most of the "prophesies" he fulfilled were either pervrsions of jewish ones (the virgin birth thing), made up stories to make him look like fulfilling them (creating a census out of thin air to have him be born in Bethlehem, not that Joseph would have gone to Bethlehem for a real census), or just plain made up.

(May 28, 2016 at 4:31 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote:

(May 27, 2016 at 10:04 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote: Yeah, someone would have seen if the body of Jesus was removed from the cross or the tomb.

The Jews and Romans where familiar with the prophecies and at least the Jews would have been hell bent on making sure he stayed dead.

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

You do realise that Yeshua fulfilled exactly none of the jewish prophesies, right? Most of the "prophesies" he fulfilled were either pervrsions of jewish ones (the virgin birth thing), made up stories to make him look like fulfilling them (creating a census out of thin air to have him be born in Bethlehem, not that Joseph would have gone to Bethlehem for a real census), or just plain made up.

Interesting opinion. Can you produce unbiased evidence of said claims? I am genuinely curious.

Thanks

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.