(May 28, 2016 at 12:04 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: So, atheists get what they wished for? Independence and pride in death(non existence)?

Atheists don't wish for this stuff, we just don't think there is a god.

(May 30, 2016 at 12:26 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(May 28, 2016 at 12:04 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: So, atheists get what they wished for? Independence and pride in death(non existence)?

Atheists don't wish for this stuff, we just don't think there is a god.

Do you ever get doubts like "what if there is a God?"

Not here. I have tried to conceive a god and there are just too many inconsistencies and no logically coherent possibilities.

(May 30, 2016 at 12:55 pm)purplepurpose Wrote:

(May 30, 2016 at 12:26 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Atheists don't wish for this stuff, we just don't think there is a god.

Do you ever get doubts like "what if there is God(s)?"

Fixed that for you and no. 

Not really and even if there is god(s) or what not they simply do not care about anything or anyone or about humanity for that manner.

(May 30, 2016 at 12:24 pm)Ignorant Wrote:

(May 30, 2016 at 12:14 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I've always found this to be a thoroughly monstrous doctrine.  Hypothetical:

Martuk is a member of a tribe (African jungle, South American rainforest, Australian bush - doesn't really matter) who have never heard of Jesus.  Martuk has a wife and five children.  He is a kind and gentle man, provides for his family, helps the rest of the tribe as much as he can.  His wife is devoted to him, his children love him dearly, the other tribespeople all agree he is a 'good sort'.  He is known to everyone as a charitable and wise man.

One day, Martuk is out gathering medicinal plants for the benefit of a sick friend, when his is bitten by an animal.  By the time Martuk gets home, the bite has become infected.  Within a few days, Martuk has a raging fever and he dies shortly thereafter, surrounded by family and friends, all weeping over their great loss.

Based on Christian dogma, Martuk never gets to Heaven.  The absolutely best he can hope for is simmering torture and the eventual utter destruction of his soul.  Such is the 'justice' meted out by a 'loving' God to a good and kind man, all because he never had the opportunity to believe in Jesus.

Fuck Christianity.

Boru

I'm not one for "proof texting", so I would invite you to read this, and then evaluate Martuk according to it:

"For when the Gentiles who do not have the law by nature observe the prescriptions of the law, they are a law for themselves even though they do not have the law. They show that the demands of the law are written in their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse OR EVEN DEFEND THEM on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge people's hidden works through Christ Jesus."
-Romans 2:14-16

I think there is hope for Martuk, but that is just me...

I agree. Only someone who doesn't know God and the scriptures would think that Martuk would suffer torture because he never had the opportunity to know of Christ.

(May 28, 2016 at 12:04 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: So, atheists get what they wished for? Independence and pride in death(non existence)?


No wonder religion is formal(not serious) world wide, as people don't wish to turn their life in to "little purgatory" for heavenly afterlife.

Why do you think that the christian life is a purgatory? Do you think that atheists enjoy their lives more than christians?

(May 30, 2016 at 3:20 pm)Lek Wrote:

(May 28, 2016 at 12:04 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: So, atheists get what they wished for? Independence and pride in death(non existence)?


No wonder religion is formal(not serious) world wide, as people don't wish to turn their life in to "little purgatory" for heavenly afterlife.

Why do you think that the christian life is a purgatory?  Do you think that atheists enjoy their lives more than christians?

In this economy?

People struggle with life, have good and bad moments. I believe it might just be equal to theists or atheists alike. Theists tend to ask god why. Atheists tend to figure out a way to fix whatever is happening. Altough the former might be more confortable mentally, the latter appeases me more. I always loved a challenge.

(May 30, 2016 at 3:28 pm)LastPoet Wrote: People struggle with life, have good and bad moments. I believe it might just be equal to theists or atheists alike. Theists tend to ask god why. Atheists tend to figure out a way to fix whatever is happening. Altough the former might be more confortable mentally, the latter appeases me more. I always loved a challenge.

I'll agree with your first two sentences, but disagree with the rest.  The great scientific and economically endowed countries of the western world were the product of a christian majority of scientists, engineers, doctors, teachers, business people, etc.  Christians have always been doers.

(May 30, 2016 at 5:33 pm)Lek Wrote:

(May 30, 2016 at 3:28 pm)LastPoet Wrote: People struggle with life, have good and bad moments. I believe it might just be equal to theists or atheists alike. Theists tend to ask god why. Atheists tend to figure out a way to fix whatever is happening. Altough the former might be more confortable mentally, the latter appeases me more. I always loved a challenge.

I'll agree with your first two sentences, but disagree with the rest.  The great scientific and economically endowed countries of the western world were the product of a christian majority of scientists, engineers, doctors, teachers, business people, etc.  Christians have always been doers.

Wasn't China more advanced than the West until the Industrial Revolution?

In the Swedenborgian church doctrine, the afterlife is a continuation of the direction your life was taking while on earth. In this world we are in a state where we can either choose to accept the Lord and reject sin or to embrace sin and reject the Lord. Those who love their sins more than the Lord will shed the whatever good remained in them and plunge deeper and deeper into Hell. Meanwhile, those who love the Lord more than sin are cleansed in and brought into fuller communion with Him.