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Yet another reality question!
#11
RE: Yet another reality question!
(June 8, 2016 at 4:57 am)Alex K Wrote:
(June 8, 2016 at 4:56 am)RozKek Wrote: You'll still be happier than ever, right?

Yes. It's the happiness of a drugged out zombie. One might just as well be dead. In a sense, one is.

Hmm, but would that really matter if you were very happy? Fyi I do agree with you, I'm just playing devil's advocate to put more thought to it.
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#12
RE: Yet another reality question!
(June 8, 2016 at 5:00 am)RozKek Wrote:
(June 8, 2016 at 4:57 am)Alex K Wrote: Yes. It's the happiness of a drugged out zombie. One might just as well be dead. In a sense, one is.

Hmm, but would that really matter if you were very happy? Fyi I do agree with you, I'm just playing devil's advocate to put more thought to it.

It matters in the same sense as death, I'd say.
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#13
RE: Yet another reality question!
(June 8, 2016 at 4:54 am)RozKek Wrote:
(June 8, 2016 at 4:26 am)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Might as well go with the VR where I can do what I want. I can experience maximum happiness if that's what I want, whereas with 2nd option I can't do anything but.

@All Nono, I stated in option 2 you'll be happier than you can ever be i.e you can't be as happy in option 1


Now who's making loopholes? So in the VR I can do whatever I want except some specific thing that operates within the rules you set but just so happens to break your question?
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#14
RE: Yet another reality question!
(June 8, 2016 at 4:56 am)RozKek Wrote:
(June 8, 2016 at 4:29 am)robvalue Wrote: I take option 1. I want to be in control.

But does it really matter if you're happier in option 2?

(I'm playing devil's advocate)

I do see the apparent irrationality in my answer, and it's interesting to me. It might be to do with me being unable to properly conceptualize the idea of being constantly happy without context. Also, I value the anticipation and variety very highly.

And as has been noted, this option does include the other option. I can decide to "switch over" at any time just by removing context and cranking up the happiness to max all the time.

The answer does still seem irrational even after my explanation. I would however give up this life (ignoring the morality in that decision) for a life of constant happiness where I don't get to do anything. But I had two choices, I'd go with the one where I can control my actions and happiness.
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#15
RE: Yet another reality question!
(June 8, 2016 at 4:15 am)RozKek Wrote: I'll make it short.

Would you:
1) Live in a vr and be able to do whatever you want but you can't leave or
2) Be hooked up to a machine stimulating your brain so you experience the maximum happines you can experience throughout your whole life. But! In this machine you can't do anything at all, you're just hooked up to it but you're happier than you can ever be. You can't leave this one either.[...]

I'll make it shorter.

Would you rather:
1) be on LSD for the rest of your life, or
2) be on heroin for the rest of your life?

However you put it - option 1 is way more attractive, because it makes you a god, whereas option 2 makes you - essentially - a vegetable. 

The problem with "maximum happiness" - or indeed any level of sustained happiness - is that one you reach it you quickly become desensitized to it. That's why heroin junkies spend most of their short lives desperately chasing the feeling of that first hit.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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#16
RE: Yet another reality question!
Does anyone else hear "virtual reality" and just think of making hot people materialise out of nowhere and fucking all day? That's me. That's literally all I'd do.
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#17
RE: Yet another reality question!
Remain drunk all day, everyday in a VR? Fuck it, let's do it.
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#18
RE: Yet another reality question!
VR all day.

If I can do cool shit and it seems like it's real, I'm in that shit over the Clockwork Orange happy chair. Shock
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#19
RE: Yet another reality question!
Who here would like to be stuck in a groundhog day and live forever in that 24 hr period?
You'd be a god by the end of the day and get laid, but in the morning, you're a no-one again...

I'll probably want to suicide after a couple of months...
Life is meaningless ...You can kill everyone, everyday...it doesn't matter!
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#20
RE: Yet another reality question!
If I can have my memory wiped at the beginning of each day, then sure!

Otherwise, I'd have to think about it more. Maybe I'd still do it.
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