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#271
RE: Free will
June 16, 2016 at 3:32 pm
Very well. I am god. There is no free will. Man is a slave to me. 

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RE: Free will
June 16, 2016 at 3:32 pm
Probably not, lol.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#273
RE: Free will
June 16, 2016 at 3:34 pm
(June 16, 2016 at 2:39 pm)Rhythm Wrote: --@ Kelly
Poorly formed and for the same reason.  I -am- my cells..not a slave to them...I -am- my cells, they are not a master to me.--Do you think you are not master and not slave and that's possible ? If yes, you made a choice.  What is controlling you if you have no master ?  If you are being controlled how are you not a slave ?

You may answer my questions or you may not.  It's your choice and you may think that's a sign of will.

--There's no separation no slave/master relationship...and none of this has anything to do with whether or not I have free will.--  

Master - controller, yes or no, choice, freewill maybe ?  Slave - controlled, yes or no, choice, freewill maybe ?

--.
--Are we just going to repeat ourselves, from here on out?  If it was wrong the first time, it won't turn right through repetition.--Do you think that's true ? yes or no, choices, freewill maybe ?

Do you want to be free ? yes or no, it's your choice, potential to have freewill, yes or no ? Your choice.
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#274
RE: Free will
June 16, 2016 at 3:40 pm (This post was last modified: June 16, 2016 at 3:40 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
For the last time..I -am- my cells, I'm not being controlled by my cells. Your master/slave business is still just as applicable as it was before, which is not at all. 

It doesn't matter whether or not I want to be free.  Wish in one hand, shit in another.  If I don't have free will, I don't have free will.  Wanting it won't make it appear any more than wanting to be let out of prison makes the gates open.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Free will
June 16, 2016 at 3:57 pm (This post was last modified: June 16, 2016 at 4:03 pm by Thomas Kelly252525.)
(June 16, 2016 at 3:40 pm)Rhythm Wrote: ==For the last time..I -am- my cells, I'm not being controlled by my cells.--

What may you think you are being controlled by if not your cells ?   

--Your master/slave business is still just as applicable as it was before, which is not at all.-- 

Do you think you are a master of yourself or do you think someone else is master of you ?  If you are not master of yourself you are a slave.

--It doesn't matter whether or not I want to be free. --

Do you want to be a slave for the rest your life ? 

--Wish in one hand, shit in another.  If I don't have free will, I don't have free will.  Wanting it won't make it appear any more than wanting to be let out of prison makes the gates open.--

If you don't have freewill you may think of yourself as a slave.
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RE: Free will
June 16, 2016 at 4:01 pm (This post was last modified: June 16, 2016 at 4:05 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
You're barking up the wrong tree, I think, Kelly. You keep asking the -same- nonsensical question no matter how many times I've answered it..and now you've spiked it with the usual christer"do you want this or that" sales pitch.

I'm not interested, nor am I foolish enough to think that you could deliver on my desires in the first place.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Free will
June 16, 2016 at 4:10 pm
(June 16, 2016 at 4:01 pm)Rhythm Wrote: --You're barking up the wrong tree, I think, Kelly.  You keep asking the -same- nonsensical question no matter how many times I've answered it..and now you've spiked it with the usual christer"do you want this or that" sales pitch.

I'm not interested.--

Alright, you may choose to continue being a slave.  We might talk and listen with each other in future, you may choose not to speak to me.  Let's see what you may choose.

I have got in mind a post from you which I may answer, I have the choice.  I may or may not leave it at that after that, depends what you may choose to say or not say.
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RE: Free will
June 16, 2016 at 4:11 pm (This post was last modified: June 16, 2016 at 4:14 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Caught myself another fisher-of-men, did I?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Free will
June 16, 2016 at 4:19 pm
I think my sig contains the crux of my QED against contra-causal/libertarian/incompatabilist free will.
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RE: Free will
June 16, 2016 at 4:20 pm
(June 16, 2016 at 4:11 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Caught myself another fisher-of-men, did I?

No and I may choose to not say anymore to you or may choose to say something to you.
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