(July 2, 2016 at 2:33 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: So let me get this straight, you're telling me you're not going to wage war on the rest of the world and re-colonize half of the planet?

Depends if fascism takes root here and in the US. Of course it wouldn't be successful but exceptionalism isn't exactly grounded in reality.

(June 27, 2016 at 2:29 am)Mathilda Wrote: Talking about food production though, farmers won't be given payments from the Common Agricultural Policy now to insulate them from the peaks and troughs of the market. This won't lead to hunger but it will lead to many farmers going out of business.

Many more farmers going out of business, you mean. Even with CAP payments (horrifically administeded by the Dept of Agriculture), farmers in the UK have been going out of business in large numbers for a few years, mainly because of supermarket power, they've been supplying at well below the cost of production.

(July 2, 2016 at 9:25 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote:

(June 27, 2016 at 2:29 am)Mathilda Wrote: Talking about food production though, farmers won't be given payments from the Common Agricultural Policy now to insulate them from the peaks and troughs of the market. This won't lead to hunger but it will lead to many farmers going out of business.

Many more farmers going out of business, you mean. Even with CAP payments (horrifically administeded by the Dept of Agriculture), farmers in the UK have been going out of business in large numbers for a few years, mainly because of supermarket power, they've been supplying at well below the cost of production.

Yep, and after that, it's inevitable that more food will need to be imported into the UK. Unfortunately a quid doesn't buy today what it did on the international market ten days ago.

Is there any news on un-fucking ourselves?

Come on government, grow a backbone on your hairy balls. Don't let the toddler walk into the oven.

(July 3, 2016 at 3:53 am)robvalue Wrote: Is there any news on un-fucking ourselves?

I think the only way that's going to happen is if there is a vote of no confidence, general election and a pro EU party gets in before Article 50 is invoked. Both Gove and May have ruled out a general election. Why give away power after having only just seized it? Labour have imploded and can't able to oppose a paper bag. It would be quite funny if the SNP initiated a vote of no confidence in the Labour party like they did in 1979 though. It would be like Battlestar Galactica "All this has happened before, and all of it will happen again". Or history never repeats itself but it does rhyme.

But given that the SNP are going to look at every possibility of staying in the EU, that a progressive alliance of the left parties has been proposed to defeat the Tories and that the Lib dems would be running on a the promise to return the UK to the EU, then it could happen.

As far as I'm concerned there has been a shifting of the political landscape for the last few years and this is the main seismic shift. I don't think it's possible to go back to what it was because too much has changed.

I see, thank you

I would guess this whole disaster will have made people lose faith in the Tories. Cameron was responsible for this shit, but presumably with ample backing from his party.

Labour yeah... oh dear. I see what you mean, there could be something of a void to fill. It's a shame because I like labour more and more, regarding some of their policies.

I've like what I have seen of Corbyn. I feel he is often misrepresented.

(July 3, 2016 at 5:01 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: I've like what I have seen of Corbyn. I feel he is often misrepresented.

Quite deliberately by the pro Blairite PR company Portland Communications according to some

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/...genda-set/

The New Statesman disagrees with this

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/med...abour-coup

It seems like the Labour party is currently filled with people who shouldn't really be in the same political party but because of First Past the Post need to be in order to win against the Tories. This is why Labour are fighting amongst themselves rather than opposing the government.

The day we get proportional representation is the day things will actually be fair.

But then the fucking racist public might vote UKIP in. Ugh.

(July 3, 2016 at 5:22 am)Mathilda Wrote: It seems like the Labour party is currently filled with people who shouldn't really be in the same political party but because of First Past the Post need to be in order to win against the Tories. This is why Labour are fighting amongst themselves rather than opposing the government.

There's a problem for social democrats all over Europe. Their previous electorate is pretty much gone. Manual workers and unions have lost a lot of clout, as far as votes are concerned. On the other hand there is a new precariate. IT guys working for a pittance, freelancers of all sorts. These people are currently fuclked over left, right and center, since they got no lobby. Coservatives don't give a shit about them, and the so called New Labour movement doesn't either. Yet they are the ones, desperately in need of some security and representation, since their numbers are constantly growing.

That's who Labour should cater to, since they are the new working class. Being outsourced by companies to run what they call their own business. But all in all just an excuse to get shot of workplace legislations and to pay them even less than they would pay their employees.