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July 25, 2016 at 10:49 am
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(July 23, 2016 at 9:45 am)mh.brewer Wrote: The whole political party system needs a ground up over haul. I don't think I'll live to see it happen.
Well how is the leadership of either party composed? Who else would want the job but for people who think they know better than others? It isn't a neutral structure and I'm not sure how or why you'd go about making it so.
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July 25, 2016 at 10:58 am
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(July 25, 2016 at 10:07 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Anyone here see the logic and appropriateness of either Bernie Sanders or a Sandersite being the next DNC chairperson ??
Additionally, the Jewish/atheist thing is really pissing me off. How high a fucking price am I looking at just to have Hillary getting some SCOTUS picks ??
Not remotely as high a price your ideological enemies on the other side are willing to pay, in the form of trump, to deny SCUTUS picks to Hillary.
In what to the other side is not only a fight to the last bullet, but a fight that will continue past the last bullet with teeth and fingernails, you are bitching about the shoulder stock of your gun not being too comfortable.
So Keep your eyes on the ball and quit whining.
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RE: WikiLeaks publishes searchable database of almost 20,000 emails from DNC.
July 25, 2016 at 11:00 am
(July 25, 2016 at 10:31 am)abaris Wrote: No, he endorsed her because, as opposed to others, he sees the danger that is Trump. He gave interviews on his decision. Jill Stein won't win, period. As long as there's the winner takes it all system, third party candidates ain't worth shit.
A man of Bernie's age doesn't need to go back to the senate anymore. He could very well live out his remaining years in relative prosperity.
If Ted Cruz had been the republican nominee, I think a 3rd party candidate would have had a real chance. But Trump catches a lot of the wackier people who don't fit neatly into party politics.
The real complication is getting Black and Hispanic voters out of lockstep with the DNC.
But this election cycle, who knows what's going to happen. We've got 2 candidates who are liked by 25% of the country respectively. That leaves 50% up for grabs. Gary Johnson do okay, until he gets into a debate, and he makes an ass of himself like he did in 2012. I don't know much about Jill Stein. But if Sanders threw a curveball and endorsed her, which he won't, she'd jump to 20% immediately, and things could be interesting.
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July 25, 2016 at 11:06 am
(July 25, 2016 at 10:33 am)Tiberius Wrote: Not sure you really understand what kind of politician Sanders is. I don't see Sanders retiring any time soon, and I don't see him seeing any merit in living out his remaining years in "relative prosperity". He'll keep campaigning until he can't physically do it anymore.
I understand that. It was meant to be in response to the insinuation of him sucking up to keep his seat. He could just as well campaign from the outside. Maybe even more effectively so.
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RE: WikiLeaks publishes searchable database of almost 20,000 emails from DNC.
July 25, 2016 at 11:26 am
(July 25, 2016 at 10:49 am)Whateverist the White Wrote: (July 23, 2016 at 9:45 am)mh.brewer Wrote: The whole political party system needs a ground up over haul. I don't think I'll live to see it happen.
Well how is the leadership of either party composed? Who else would want the job but for people who think they know better than others? It isn't a neutral structure and I'm not sure how or why you'd go about making it so.
Bold mine
Me either. Maybe there should not be a party system at all. The party system seems exclusionary (got to be a member to stand a chance), limits freedom of thought (support the platform or get out), and ultimately subject to corruption.
Understand that I'm not a big political thinker. Just know what I do and don't like.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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RE: WikiLeaks publishes searchable database of almost 20,000 emails from DNC.
July 25, 2016 at 11:31 am
(July 25, 2016 at 11:26 am)mh.brewer Wrote: (July 25, 2016 at 10:49 am)Whateverist the White Wrote: Well how is the leadership of either party composed? Who else would want the job but for people who think they know better than others? It isn't a neutral structure and I'm not sure how or why you'd go about making it so.
Bold mine
Me either. Maybe there should not be a party system at all. The party system seems exclusionary (got to be a member to stand a chance), limits freedom of thought (support the platform or get out), and ultimately subject to corruption.
Understand that I'm not a big political thinker. Just know what I do and don't like.
Sounds like you and I share a certain agnosticism beneath our chosen 'isms.
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July 25, 2016 at 11:56 am
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(July 25, 2016 at 5:32 am)A Theist Wrote: You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Getting out to vote for a corrupt candidate isn't going to change anything either. The political cesspool will still be corrupt either way. Why bother with the aggravation. You're screwed either way, unless you know of an untarnished politician. Stay home. Eat, drink, and be merry. Leave the corruption to the sheep who vote in crooked politicians.
Yeah, like I said, I'm unsure how doing nothing will change anything. I've got a son, I'm rather interested in seeing that he inherits a nation worth having, and I don't think surrendering to the status quo is a viable option.
Asking for an untarnished politician is unrealistic. You're a Christian who believes all men are flawed, yet you insist on "untarnished" politicians? Of course we don't want to vote in corrupt politicians ... but I don't think all are corrupt.
Some folks pick up the fiddle when they see the city burning; others pick up a bucket of water.
(July 25, 2016 at 10:24 am)wallym Wrote: Both parties need people to come out and vote.
What needs to happen is that people need to stop considering Republicans and Democrats as the only options. Until the chokehold the two parties have on governance is broken, nothing will change.
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July 25, 2016 at 12:01 pm
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I'd love to pick up a bucket of water....trouble is, there's a jarring lack of buckets to be found, and the water doesn't seem to be flowing.
(for context..I think that Trump is a joke who won't be able to deliver on any of the whistles he;s blowing, and I suspect that clinton is actually capable of doing what -she- wants to get done)
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RE: WikiLeaks publishes searchable database of almost 20,000 emails from DNC.
July 25, 2016 at 12:02 pm
A new CNN poll has Trump leading Clinton nationally.
Quote:Donald Trump comes out of his convention ahead of Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House, topping her 44% to 39% in a four-way matchup including Gary Johnson (9%) and Jill Stein (3%) and by three points in a two-way head-to-head, 48% to 45%. That latter finding represents a 6-point convention bounce for Trump, which are traditionally measured in two-way matchups.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politics/d...index.html
This just shows how inept and unlikable Hillary Clinton is. She struggles against someone that could't beat a pile of dog shit in an election.
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RE: WikiLeaks publishes searchable database of almost 20,000 emails from DNC.
July 25, 2016 at 2:17 pm
As much as it shows how unlikable Clinton is, national polls are still a terrible indicator of how the election will turn out. FiveThirtyEight still put her chances at 58.2%
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016...cast/#plus
That number will probably jump later this week when she is official confirmed as the nominee. It will then likely fall as a result of the leaked emails. documents, etc. I suspect it may jump back up when the debates start; somehow I can't see Trump holding his own against Clinton in a debate.
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