(July 31, 2016 at 3:20 pm)Bella Morte Wrote:

(July 31, 2016 at 11:25 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote: Just one quick question, how did a group of incoherent politically ignorant agitators become left wing all of a sudden?

Calling the two groups in question left wing would be like me calling Freemen on the land conservative.

Because they're far-left. Seems like something you would support.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_B...utionaries

A) Idiots throwing crickets because of idiocy doesn't make them left-wing, right-wing, centrist or officials in the ministry of silly walks (ok, maybe the last one, I'll get back to you on that).

B) Throwing baseless accusations at me should be beneath you. I am socialist because of all the political ideologies out there it is the only one that gives a single fuck about people like me or thee. And even at that I am well aware of some of the problems associated with it, and would gladly lock away some other lefties for their stupidity.

Edit: Bella if you keep acting the way you are, you'll be going back on my ignore list, and this time you won't be coming off. Disagreeing and getting heated is one thing (I know I do it a lot), but deliberately being a shit for the sake of it is a whole different category of activity.

(August 2, 2016 at 4:15 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote:

(July 31, 2016 at 3:20 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: Because they're far-left. Seems like something you would support.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_B...utionaries

A) Idiots throwing crickets because of idiocy doesn't make them left-wing, right-wing, centrist or officials in the ministry of silly walks (ok, maybe the last one, I'll get back to you on that).

B) Throwing baseless accusations at me should be beneath you. I am socialist because of all the political ideologies out there it is the only one that gives a single fuck about people like me or thee. And even at that I am well aware of some of the problems associated with it, and would gladly lock away some other lefties for their stupidity.

LBR are literally a far-left organisation.

(July 31, 2016 at 7:08 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: and who exactly did those guys terrorize or commit violence against? Oh yeah, no one. Throwing bugs in soup is more then any of them did. But for the record, neither of them are terrorists. I'd be extremely cautious about expanding the definition of terrorism beyond a very very strict definition. Especially considering that both presidential candidates want to shut down 'terrorist speech' and websites. Also calling it a federal building is only correct in a technical sense. It was an uninhabited station in the middle of nowhere. I'm more concerned about crickets in my soup then those guys. Which is to say, not at all.

I'd be a lot more worried by the guys with guns myself. Because the next time the building might be a lot more inhabited and they're not the type of people that'd be restrained in their actions even in the most calm of situations.

Sorry, just noticed this:

(August 2, 2016 at 4:15 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote: Edit: Bella if you keep acting the way you are, you'll be going back on my ignore list, and this time you won't be coming off. Disagreeing and getting heated is one thing (I know I do it a lot), but deliberately being a shit for the sake of it is a whole different category of activity.

What the fuck are you waiting for?

(August 1, 2016 at 12:44 pm)RobertE Wrote: I can think of at least one left-wing terrorist group that was called "Sinn Féin." This was the political wing and mouthpiece of the Provisional IRA in Northern Ireland. They were dirty bastards who didn't a shit about anyone.

A) Sinn Fein were and are a political party.

B) If you think the PIRA was ever left wing, then I feel sorry for your inability use historical analysis. There were two left wing Irish nationalist terrorist groups in the North the Stickies or Official IRA from whom the PIRA split from over the Bloody Sunday Massacre response (and who eventually became the Workers party, staged a reverse takeover of Irish Labour and eventually became very right wing indeed), and the INLA who still exist (and like the PIRA gave up their guns as part of the GFA and now like the unionist terrorist groups look to have morphed into a criminal gang, albeit with little of the scope for criminality and terror of the UDA or UVF).
The PIRA themselves, for most of their history were traditional catholic, i.e. only slightly less right wing than Ian Paisely and the DUP. It is only recently that the political party Sinn Fein has swung to to the left, and while they seem genuine (especially in the north where they're the only party against welfare cuts, supporting female reproductive rights, support gay marriage and other issues of equality and actually do fight on these issues) it is too early to say if the change has stuck.

(August 2, 2016 at 4:24 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: Sorry, just noticed this:

(August 2, 2016 at 4:15 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote: Edit: Bella if you keep acting the way you are, you'll be going back on my ignore list, and this time you won't be coming off. Disagreeing and getting heated is one thing (I know I do it a lot), but deliberately being a shit for the sake of it is a whole different category of activity.

What the fuck are you waiting for?

Fine, Bella stew in your own bile and idiocy. My life won't be worse from listening to your hate speech.

(August 2, 2016 at 4:32 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote:

(August 2, 2016 at 4:24 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: Sorry, just noticed this:


What the fuck are you waiting for?

Fine, Bella stew in your own bile and idiocy. My life won't be worse from listening to your hate speech.

Hate speech? Oh, don't make me laugh.

Put me on your ignore list and piss off.

(August 1, 2016 at 4:01 pm)RobertE Wrote: I think it was abasus who said it would be highly unlikely to find a left-wing terrorist group and I found one as easy as that. It just depends on which side of the water you live on. The IRA is your left-wing version of your right-wing ISIS. Scummy fucks. 

I still remember this as a 15 year old:

Oh yeah. Next time read what I posted, will you. I said today, today as in present times. I guess you're not being 15 right now this very moment, although I'm tempted to take the cheap shot. The cars speak for themselves, since they're from the time I was speaking of when I meant that left wing terrorism was a thing - back then. The 70ies and early 80ies.

Yeah, you found an easy one. But don't be too proud of yourself, since you didn't understand the first thing of what I was saying. Thanks for making my point.

(August 2, 2016 at 4:20 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote:

(July 31, 2016 at 7:08 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: and who exactly did those guys terrorize or commit violence against? Oh yeah, no one. Throwing bugs in soup is more then any of them did. But for the record, neither of them are terrorists. I'd be extremely cautious about expanding the definition of terrorism beyond a very very strict definition. Especially considering that both presidential candidates want to shut down 'terrorist speech' and websites. Also calling it a federal building is only correct in a technical sense. It was an uninhabited station in the middle of nowhere. I'm more concerned about crickets in my soup then those guys. Which is to say, not at all.

I'd be a lot more worried by the guys with guns myself. Because the next time the building might be a lot more inhabited and they're not the type of people that'd be restrained in their actions even in the most calm of situations.

Well you are right that I'm more worried about right wing terror in the US then left wing terror. Vice made a pretty good documentary about the modern militia movement, which is about as large as it was pre-Oklahoma city bombing. So it is a larger concern, in the United States. Neither of them are a very big concern though. People always phrase it in terms of the US and western Europe, as though that encompasses the world. The largest security threat in India, according to the government, is the left wing group Naxalite, which commits pretty frequent terrorism. 13,000 people have died in their conflict, 7700 civilians. But you know, it's not in the US or Europe, so somehow it doesn't count or people aren't even aware of it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naxalite%E...o_violence 

Back to the first world, or as I call it, the small privileged few. If I were attending a Trump rally twice though, once as a protestor and once as a supporter, I'd be more worried about getting punched in the face by a left-winger then right-winger. I wonder if Trump is elected if we won't see more left wing terror in the future, ala in the 1960s.

(August 2, 2016 at 4:34 pm)abaris Wrote:

(August 1, 2016 at 4:01 pm)RobertE Wrote: I think it was abasus who said it would be highly unlikely to find a left-wing terrorist group and I found one as easy as that. It just depends on which side of the water you live on. The IRA is your left-wing version of your right-wing ISIS. Scummy fucks. 

I still remember this as a 15 year old:

Oh yeah. Next time read what I posted, will you. I said today, today as in present times. I guess you're not being 15 right now this very moment, although I'm tempted to take the cheap shot. The cars speak for themselves, since they're from the time I was speaking of when I meant that left wing terrorism was a thing - back then. The 70ies and early 80ies.

Yeah, you found an easy one. But don't be too proud of yourself, since you didn't understand the first thing of what I was saying. Thanks for making my point.

The U.S. Code of Federal Regulations defines terrorism as "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives"

BLM fits the bill.