Yeah....

I'm pretty much done trying here. I didn't want to throw that word around because, honestly, I was trying to get at my point via a different angle. But damn, you know... sometimes.

*walks off and shakes head*

On a less joking note-

I do actually find these sorts of perceptions interesting.  It's no surprise, for example, to find that a species with a near past such as ours and a habit for creating social mores would create one that limited population growth.  Sure, things are peachy now, but for most of our history we didn't have enough food to feed ourselves.  Starvation wasn't a regional or demographic thing, it was the human condition.  We were further beset on all sides by things that would just kill us out of the blue (not the least of which a child).  We, as in all of us..male and female - everywhere- were far less empowered to reduce or ameliorate the loss that "x" could incur...we didn't even understand why it was happening.  

We've always bumped it like rabbits, we never see a problem with it when things are good...but when things get bad, and this -particular- moralizing bent comes from a specific place in time, when things were pretty shitty and a decidly patriarchal social order was imposed- that;s when we start looking for ways to compartmentalize our suffering.  We start blaming our -societal- ills on individual decisions, and we blame hardest and best when the blamed has no voice.

It is surprising, however, to find a person in a first world country, with the sort of life that gives them access to and time for posting on internet forums......perpetuating a social tick of a vastly different yesteryear. In our cases, we have "bored jobless young men" because despite whatever we say about it...that's how we fucking -like- it to be. We've gone to incredible trouble to set our system up such that this is a product. It has nothing to do with whether or not your mother or sister or daughter is "the town slut" ....wtf that means.

(August 22, 2016 at 10:56 am)Nymphadora Wrote:

(August 21, 2016 at 11:34 pm)paulpablo Wrote: Well Rob is wrong, and you're wrong. 

Point out how either one of us is wrong.

Quote:If I say the children of poor parents are less well educated than rich parents usually, there's no blame being evoked.

But you aren't saying that. You're only now injecting that straw into this argument because you have nothing to stand on.

Quote:Instead of giving me anecdotes about who you read my post to show me specifically where I laid the blame at the feet of any female.

bold mine.

Look up, dummy. I have already done that three times now. I can't be arsed to keep showing you your own words. Especially if you're not going to bother reading what you write. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

Quote:You just keep posting me the same statement I made about communities with high rates of single motherhood failing, children of single mothers being more promiscuous or whatever.

Look - if you cannot see the correlation between what YOU wrote and the perception in what YOU wrote, then you are beyond help here. But hey - I can do this all day. I do however, have to stop at 5pm because I have to get to school tonight.

Quote:Where did I say "This is the fault of the female/girl/mother."

You didn't say that word for word exactly. But your intent behind the words you did use, said it. Quit trying to play semantics here.

And I'll ask you - where in your post did you make any attempt to say what men or males in such communities, could do to help the "unsuccessful" (read: failure) single mothers you mentioned?

Quote:Where did I even use the word blame, where did I put any responsibility onto anyone in my post at all for anything bad?

emphasis mine.

It's all over your fucking post. And again, I've taken the time to point it out.


You don't get a free pass because you blatantly went out of your way, to send a message through your post that yes, you ARE blaming single mothers for their unsuccessful raising of, as YOU put it: bored, young, jobless men. All the while, again, refusing to offer up any positive suggestions that could be a solution to that. And now you want to play semantics with me because you got called out for being misogynist? Up to this point, I have refused to call you that. But your continued arguing and refusal to see what came out of YOUR OWN thought process and got put in writing by YOU, is just mind blowing.

Okay.... I'll dumb it down, just for you since you want to be bullheaded about it:

Did you actually use the specific word "blame"? Nope. But your entire posts REEKS of blaming single mothers and seeing them as the problem - even more so in Milwaukee, according to you.

Show me in your post where you took a stance against absent baby daddies and offered up any responsibility on them? Show me in your post where you made suggestions for the grown men in the communities you spoke of, so that they could help end the cycle of the type of situations you're talking about. Oh that's right, you can't show me because you didn't bother mentioning any of that and judging by your reaction here, I can see that you don't like it when a woman uses your own words against you and makes a fair point that you really can't argue with.

Quote:I read your posts to my pet cat and he agrees with me that you're wrong and I'm right.

You're a fucking idiot. All five of my cats agree that someone must have made you drink bad Kool-Aid when you were a kid.

Fuck off you fat cunt.

Show me where I blamed women for anything specifically or shut your mouth.

Way to respond to criticism of misogyny there, killer.  In celebration...and because we all know you love the ladies...especially the kind that speak their minds....

Intriguing that when insecure men insult women, they automatically attack their physical appearance, as if the totality of a woman's self-worth is resting precipitously on her looks at all times.

Wow paul. Care to dig that hole a little deeper? I'm sure someone will lower a rope for you eventually.

What else are you good for, Camus, besides spitting out too many babies. Aren't you just a herd of pretty breeding livestock?

(August 22, 2016 at 11:47 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Intriguing that when insecure men insult women, they automatically attack their physical appearance, as if the totality of a woman's self-worth is resting precipitously on her looks at all times.  

That's easy for you to say, you're gorgeous.

No, but seriously, what a fucking idiot. I believe he earned the right to be ignored just now.

(August 22, 2016 at 11:48 am)Rhythm Wrote: What else are you good for, Camus, besides spitting out too many babies. Aren't you just a herd of pretty breeding livestock? 

Nothing, apparently! I mean, I conceived on the first try with the first kid, and the second try with my second, so by Biblical standards I would have been considered grade A Jewish-lady beef! I've got nothing to worry about. [emoji41]

I bet you would have gotten your father more than just a few shekels.   Provided that you could be taught to defer to your purchasers sexual mores.  Nobody pays good money for a horse that can't be broken, an ox that can't be yoked.   I;m just saying, you should probably work on that mouth, it's a problem, in that you keep using it for the wrong things.....like disagreeing with slut shaming men and whatnot.

I've got a pig that keeps getting loose, and I know, deep down, she;s doing it to go out and get some strange.  She's -cheating- on what we have! She's going to end up as bacon if she keeps it up.