(September 1, 2016 at 11:52 am)Rhythm Wrote: We have plenty of samples.  We have our own dna, and the dna of all other known primates. We also have the DNA of some extinct primates (some of which we find in our own dna)  If the serpent was, as you contend, a separate species from human beings and not one of those other known primates....it shouldn't be too difficult to isolate an anomaly.  Particularly one that codes for death...as you contend that it does.

"death" code... really?

(September 1, 2016 at 11:52 am)Rhythm Wrote: You've claimed that our hybridization brought death into the picture...so we only need to find the point at which our ancestors didn't die (which seems to have been..you know, never)..we can then place this hybridization event on a timeline and check for anomalous changes to dna from that point forward.  

I can see that you think you've left yourself wiggle room, you really haven't.  It's time to put up or shut up.  Either your interpretation is correct, and we're serpent hybrids...or magic books narrative is demonstrably false.

Correct, I said hybridization brought death, but the death i was referring to was sterilization. The original can reproduce (life), the hybrid is sterile (death).

Just in case you think I'm moving the goalposts.

(August 30, 2016 at 10:35 am)Huggy74 Wrote: we all are bud, hence why were born into sin...

A hybrid cannot breed itself back to the original, hence why you must born again through Christ who is the original seed (sex had nothing to do with his birth).

Life is in the original seed (It can reproduce), death is in the hybridized seed (it cannot reproduce).

Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. - John 12:24

Now do you see why Jesus had to die and go into the ground in order to produce children to God?

(September 1, 2016 at 11:57 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(September 1, 2016 at 11:56 am)Huggy74 Wrote: EXACTLY!

So you're claim is impossible to verify.  If it's impossible to verify, why would we accept it.

Do you accept abiogenesis?

Besided, I wasn't the one that brought up serpent dna.

(September 1, 2016 at 12:14 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: "death" code... really?

You're the one that proposed it.........

Quote:Correct, I said hybridization brought death, but the death i was referring to was sterilization. The original can reproduce (life), the hybrid is sterile (death).

Except that the hybrid can;t be sterile...you said we were all hybrids...that's some pretty prolific breeding for a sterile hybrid......

Quote:Just in case you think I'm moving the goalposts.

Meh, I just think you're being ridiculous.  You can move the goalposts around all you like....I don't care.  Ill just put them back where they started..like I've been doing.

(August 30, 2016 at 10:35 am)Huggy74 Wrote: we all are bud, hence why were born into sin...

A hybrid cannot breed itself back to the original, hence why you must born again through Christ who is the original seed (sex had nothing to do with his birth).

Life is in the original seed (It can reproduce), death is in the hybridized seed (it cannot reproduce).

Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. - John 12:24

Now do you see why Jesus had to die and go into the ground in order to produce children to God?

-and here again we see that this must be false...if we're all a bunch of hybrids...the hybrid obviously wasn't sterile. You see, beyond issues like there being no evidence that this happened, and plenty of evidence that it didn't..your claims, the claims you argue are in magic book... are internally contradictory. A more impressive failure is difficult to envision. Not only are you (and magic book) wrong..you couldn't possibily -be- right.

(September 1, 2016 at 12:16 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(September 1, 2016 at 11:57 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: So you're claim is impossible to verify.  If it's impossible to verify, why would we accept it.

Do you accept abiogenesis?

Besided, I wasn't the one that brought up serpent dna.

I haven't said anything about abiogenesis, I haven't made any claims about abiogenesis, maybe I don't accept it.

I'm asking why we should accept your admittedly unverifiable claim.

If you continue to just dodge the question, then there's literally no point in having a discussion with you about anything.

(September 1, 2016 at 12:16 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(September 1, 2016 at 11:57 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: So you're claim is impossible to verify.  If it's impossible to verify, why would we accept it.

Do you accept abiogenesis?

Besided, I wasn't the one that brought up serpent dna.

LOL, again with this shit...why does it matter?  If he did, then you both accept it.  Didn't you say something earlier about how accepting something means you can;t question it?  What's with all the questions then...Huggy?

Does it have something to do with snakemen?

(September 1, 2016 at 11:56 am)Huggy74 Wrote: EXACTLY!

Damn it, Huggy! I had nearly finished my grant proposal to find the serpent, extract its DNA, and make a statistical comparison with contemporary human DNA to determine which sequences came from our ancient human forbears and which from our Father of Lies. I had such high hopes for my research project that I'd already begun mentally composing my Nobel acceptance speech, as well as my Liberty University commencement address. And now you scuttle my hopes like this.

I swear, it's getting harder and harder to believe anything you say. 

Because someone seems to think that discovering something is unfalsifiable is actually a benefit, here's my video again:

https://youtu.be/JRdP5GpCeuE

(September 1, 2016 at 12:17 pm)Rhythm Wrote:

(September 1, 2016 at 12:14 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: "death" code... really?

You're the one that proposed it.........

Quote:Correct, I said hybridization brought death, but the death i was referring to was sterilization. The original can reproduce (life), the hybrid is sterile (death).

Except that the hybrid can;t be sterile...you said we were all hybrids...that's some pretty prolific breeding for a sterile hybrid......

Quote:Just in case you think I'm moving the goalposts.

Meh, I just think you're being ridiculous.  You can move the goalposts around all you like....I don't care.  

(August 30, 2016 at 10:35 am)Huggy74 Wrote: we all are bud, hence why were born into sin...

A hybrid cannot breed itself back to the original, hence why you must born again through Christ who is the original seed (sex had nothing to do with his birth).

Life is in the original seed (It can reproduce), death is in the hybridized seed (it cannot reproduce).

Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. - John 12:24

Now do you see why Jesus had to die and go into the ground in order to produce children to God?

-and here again we see that this must be false...if we're all a bunch of hybrids...the hybrid obviously wasn't sterile.

You have to look at the bible spiritually

Apparently you haven't been paying attention. Haven't you read any of the posts where I said that Adam didn't need sex to reproduce, he was a god (little g), a theophany. He had the power to form the children of God from the dust just like how he was first created.

All that was lost when man fell, he became eternally separated from God (death means separation), but God allowed man to procreate through the institution of marriage, but man cannot produce a theophany through sex, which is what God originally intended man to be. Hence the sterilization, and also why I stated "A hybrid cannot breed itself back to the original".

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theophany

Quote:Definition of theophany
:a visible manifestation of a deity

Now Jesus Christ (being the second Adam) will come and restore things how they were originally meant to be. Hence why the Bible state that the lord will descend from heaven with a shout, and the dead in Christ will rise up from the dust, like they were supposed to be originally.

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(September 1, 2016 at 12:21 pm)Crossless1 Wrote:

(September 1, 2016 at 11:56 am)Huggy74 Wrote: EXACTLY!

Damn it, Huggy! I had nearly finished my grant proposal to find the serpent, extract its DNA, and make a statistical comparison with contemporary human DNA to determine which sequences came from our ancient human forbears and which from our Father of Lies. I had such high hopes for my research project that I'd already begun mentally composing my Nobel acceptance speech, as well as my Liberty University commencement address. And now you scuttle my hopes like this.

I swear, it's getting harder and harder to believe anything you say.  

You act like I'M the one that brought up serpent DNA.

(September 1, 2016 at 12:42 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: You have to look at the bible spiritually

No I don't...I've got your comments, and that's enough...since I'm trying to work out the relationships between your comments and reality.

Quote:Apparently you haven't been paying attention. Haven't you read the post where I said that Adam didn't need sex to reproduce, he was a god (little g), a theophany. He had the power to form the children of God from the dust just like how he was first created.

All that was lost when man fell, he became eternally separated from God (death means separation), but God allowed man to procreate through the institution of marriage, but man cannot produce a theophany through sex, which is what God originally intended man to be. hence the sterilization.

You;re no longer talking about genetics or hybridization, or sterilization.  You are, in fact, inserting your own meaningless and fanciful interpretations of those terms while simultaneously attempting to draw authority and validity from the non-fanciful and meaningful definitions of those terms and that field.  It was never about hybridization or genetics after all...just like I suggested..pages and pages ago.

Quote:Now Jesus Christ (being the second Adam) will come and restore things how they were originally meant to be. Hence why the Bible state that the lord will descend from heaven with a shout, and the dead in Christ will rise up from the dust, like they were supposed to be originally.

Cool story, but I don't care about whatever magic balls you think you own and I've already told you as much. Predict the future to someone who gives more shits than I do. All I can draw from this..at this point., is that we're actually not hybrid serpent men, eves having had sex with a snake is irrelevant to sin or to death, none of us are adams children in any meaningful sense or gods children in any meangful sense...and you never meant a fucking -word- of all of this shit.

What a phenomenal waste of everyone's time, Huggs, not the least of which your own.

(September 1, 2016 at 12:50 pm)Rhythm Wrote:

(September 1, 2016 at 12:42 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: You have to look at the bible spiritually

No I don't...I've got your comments, and that's enough...since I'm trying to work out the relationships between your comments and reality.

Quote:Apparently you haven't been paying attention. Haven't you read the post where I said that Adam didn't need sex to reproduce, he was a god (little g), a theophany. He had the power to form the children of God from the dust just like how he was first created.

All that was lost when man fell, he became eternally separated from God (death means separation), but God allowed man to procreate through the institution of marriage, but man cannot produce a theophany through sex, which is what God originally intended man to be. hence the sterilization.

You;re no longer talking about genetics or hybridization, or sterilization.  You are, in fact, inserting your own meaningless and fanciful interpretations of those terms while simultaneously attempting to draw authority and validity from the non-fanciful and meaningful definitions of those terms and that field.  It was never about hybridization or genetics after all...just like I suggested..pages and pages ago.

Quote:Now Jesus Christ (being the second Adam) will come and restore things how they were originally meant to be. Hence why the Bible state that the lord will descend from heaven with a shout, and the dead in Christ will rise up from the dust, like they were supposed to be originally.

Cool story, but I don't care about whatever magic balls you think you own and I've already told you as much.  Predict the future to someone who gives more shits than I do.

Well bud, I've said the same exact thing in at least 3 to 4 threads, If you don't like it then too bad. But you thinking you somehow had me backed into a corner was cute.

Would you like me to provide a list of posts where I've been saying this all along?