Well....diplomacy only goes so far, dear.

Then it's time to send in the bombers.

(May 17, 2011 at 2:01 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Well....diplomacy only goes so far, dear.

Then it's time to send in the bombers.

When diplomacy ends, the killers get sent in to deal with the fallout.

I say never get married... it's superficial and gets in the way if you stop loving someone.

But then I suppose you knew I'd say that

As my granddad says "You're a brave fucking man!". Just don't forget the three rings my friend: First there's the engagement ring, then there's the wedding ring, then there's suffering!

I'll skip the whole marriage thing, I'm not that brave.

But yeah, if he cannot accept your lack of childish beliefs and your wish for a secular wedding, then be all out straight with him.

(May 17, 2011 at 3:03 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: I say never get married... it's superficial and gets in the way if you stop loving someone.

But then I suppose you knew I'd say that

As I understand it the idea of love being the purpose for marriage is a relatively new concept .....

Nice, Shell B. Indeed, family first.

It's such a sad twisted affair though, him telling her he will always be there as he's explaining that he won't be there for her on this.

I doubt her father would see in Shell's response the irony of charitable atheist response to christian mean smallness.

I might have said there is a time when one needs to let go of an intellectually dead father and move on with one's own life.

(May 17, 2011 at 3:47 pm)Eudaimonia Wrote: As I understand it the idea of love being the purpose for marriage is a relatively new concept .....

As I understand the idea of love and simply love is one that not many people understand in a relationship

Marriage devalues a connection with a person for me, as it states that I am bound legally to them. Then it is no longer about staying together because we like each other, but because the contract says we will.

(May 17, 2011 at 3:47 pm)Eudaimonia Wrote:

(May 17, 2011 at 3:03 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: I say never get married... it's superficial and gets in the way if you stop loving someone.

But then I suppose you knew I'd say that

As I understand it the idea of love being the purpose for marriage is a relatively new concept .....

I think such emotional attachement to prospective procreative partner as can be called love is likely the evolutionary adaptation to meet only a subset of needs that is socialogically being served by the institution of marriage.

If those other needs are unimportant to you, then marriage is inappropriate.

(May 17, 2011 at 5:59 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote:

(May 17, 2011 at 3:47 pm)Eudaimonia Wrote: As I understand it the idea of love being the purpose for marriage is a relatively new concept .....

As I understand the idea of love and simply love is one that not many people understand in a relationship

Marriage devalues a connection with a person for me, as it states that I am bound legally to them. Then it is no longer about staying together because we like each other, but because the contract says we will.

For once I actually agree with you.

Don't need to marry to declare love for each other. For some reason it feels like you've lost feeling in the whole point in being with that person.
Besides, if things do go fuck, there's that whole expensive side to it. The divorce, the I'll take the house, you can have the car shit.
I think it's more interesting to just keep it as a relationship. No legally binding shite.