(September 21, 2016 at 3:09 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: You're starting to go off the deepity end there, Ark.

No I'm extending a very common analogy for life. Your influences on the world do not suddenly cease when you do.

(September 21, 2016 at 3:18 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(September 21, 2016 at 3:09 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: You're starting to go off the deepity end there, Ark.

No I'm extending a very common analogy for life. Your influences on the world do not suddenly cease when you do.

You could've just said that clearly.

There is no meaning, bro. Stop complaining about it.

(September 21, 2016 at 3:19 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(September 21, 2016 at 3:18 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: No I'm extending a very common analogy for life. Your influences on the world do not suddenly cease when you do.

You could've just said that clearly.

Duly noted.

(September 21, 2016 at 3:25 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(September 21, 2016 at 3:19 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: You could've just said that clearly.

Duly noted.

Especially considering I'd agree with that point.

(September 21, 2016 at 3:12 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:

(September 21, 2016 at 3:09 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: You're starting to go off the deepity end there, Ark.

He's drowning in it...

I've learned to breath water and I'm very comfortable at the bottom of the ocean where there is no light, only feeling.

I must wholeheartedly disagree with the OP! Life is only meaningless as long as you choose to let it be. That it has no intrinsic meaning is of absolutely no import as long as you are willing to establish meaning for yourself. I have never gotten out of bed wondering what the meaning of life, that day, that hour and minute was. I was too busy providing that meaning.

Oh the multitude of meanings one can give to life.

(September 21, 2016 at 3:31 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: I must wholeheartedly disagree with the OP! Life is only meaningless as long as you choose to let it be. That it has no intrinsic meaning is of absolutely no import as long as you are willing to establish meaning for yourself. I have never gotten out of bed wondering what the meaning of life, that day, that hour and minute was. I was too busy providing that meaning.

I just don't get it...


No one would be happy if some authority figure assigned them: their careers, their mates/spouses, their hobbies, their musical and arts tastes, etc, etc. We would all consider that totalitarian, and when North Korea does it, it's rightfully thought of as a horrible affront to humanity.

But when it comes to ones purpose, they are fine with an authority figure assigning that. How is that not totalitarian?

(September 21, 2016 at 2:58 pm)InquiringMind Wrote: But what was wrong with that?  Sure I was delusional in believing that Sky Daddy has important work for me to do, but those delusional beliefs gave me a strong sense of meaning and purpose.  What's wrong with that, especially if life is meaningless anyway?  In a billion years it will make no difference whether I was right about everything or whether I was totally delusional.

If there is no God, you found meaning from the scaffolding of believing in a sky daddy, you created that meaning by choosing to believe. Now you believe that life has no meaning. That there is no capital 'S' Significance to existing. I think you've just adopted another set of scaffolding, only one that says that meaning isn't real, that it's not a thing unless it's out there in the universe. I think that's just coffee house philosophy crap. What if you're wrong? What if meaning exists in a real way without God and this new scaffolding is as fictitious as the old? You seem remarkably invested in this idea that life has no meaning.

For my own personal belief, meaning is real, and we never escape it's grasp. We are built to experience meaning as something real. That makes it real to us. This idea that because the universe doesn't care that there is no meaning is imo wrong. Meaning is always meaning from some perspective. The universe isn't an agent, so it has no perspective. It's just a category error to expect meaning to come from the universe. But it's obvious that you care about things. So much so that it's eating you up at this time. Surely caring is a sign that these things in your life are significant. Maybe not capital 'S' Significant, but small 's' significant. You are a social animal. Certain things matter to you just because of that base fact. You want love, and you would experience sexual love as significant. You want the admiration of your peers. You want status in the scientific world. You want all the typical things that make life good. These are significant for you. All these things are meaningful to you, but you're experiencing their absence at this time. I think focusing on their absence is making you an existential gloomy Gus. You've got the telescope trained on the idea that ordinary things can't be meaningful because there's no big 'S'. I think you've deluded yourself by believing meaning doesn't exist as much as you'd deluded yourself into believing there was a sky daddy. I don't think we can escape meaning in this life. It is the water we swim in, so much so that we are distressed by its absence, or seeming absence. I think perhaps if you concentrated less on the big S and more on the small s'es, you'd be a lot happier. Epicurean things like good friends, satisfying work, good food, an occasional novelty to spice things up. In short, I think you're mistaken in believing that life has no meaning; I think you're surrounded by it. You've just chosen to focus on this idea that life has no meaning. And I think that's distorting things for you. We are built by evolution to experience meaningful things in a vast variety of ways. That you are experiencing a low in your sensus meaningfullitis is no reason to jump to the conclusion that meaning doesn't exist. I think you're mistaken. I think it does.

(I apologize in advance if this seems preachy or rudely impudent. I was trying to get across the ideas, but I couldn't help but incorporate some of the personal details. If my advice is off base, pay it no mind. I'm just trying to get the ideas across.)