(September 22, 2016 at 12:04 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote:

(September 22, 2016 at 10:29 am)Faith No More Wrote: Oh, the irony of complaining that protestors should wait for due process when people are being systematically gunned down by the police for minor offenses or nothing at all.  Or how about the irony of someone that regularly complains about the power of the state taking no issue with the state summarily executing people in the streets?

Why is it that when talking about welfare and other social programs conservatives can't express enough how evil the government is, but when it comes to the cops violating civil rights their response is "these protestors should settle down?"

"people are being stematically gunned down for minor offenses or nothing at all"?  Are you insane, oblivious to truth, or merely intellectually bankrupt?  You sir are a douche of he first order.

In 2015, police shot one out of every 334,343 Americans, for all reasons, from accidental to just plain felonious. Thanks to the Internet this is now the criteria for an epidemic.

(September 22, 2016 at 10:29 am)Faith No More Wrote: Oh, the irony of complaining that protestors should wait for due process when people are being systematically gunned down by the police for minor offenses or nothing at all.

Au contraire, black men reading books is a serious problem. If they get hedgemicated they might find out what their rights are and start looking for them! The horror./

(September 22, 2016 at 12:09 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote:

(September 22, 2016 at 10:29 am)Faith No More Wrote: Oh, the irony of complaining that protestors should wait for due process when people are being systematically gunned down by the police for minor offenses or nothing at all.

Au contraire, black men reading books is a serious problem.

Not as serious as black women reading books!

http://uk.businessinsider.com/woman-who-...?r=US&IR=T

(September 22, 2016 at 11:54 am)Cato Wrote: Do what a cop says when he says it? I'll take it you're not a fan of the Constitution generally and the fourth amendment particularly. This shit will stop when we citizens unite and demand with one voice the protection provided by the fourth amendment for everyone.

Again,A cop's primary goal is to feel safe and have control over a situation FIRST. This is His primary goal as yours would be in a similar situation, then matters of law and constitutional rights come into play.

Quote:When I was a kid a running joke was "I'm with the KGB, show me your papers"; I don't see much difference with our police today. We have idly sat by with an inexhaustible supply of apathy while our rights have been systematically eroded. Fuck police. I'll change my tune when they serve and protect instead of endeavoring to meet arrest and seizure quotas.

Or when you have been scarred awake in the middle of the night and you know for certain someone is in your house...

Then show me concern for the constitutional rights of the B-hole who broke into your house and is looking to do you and yours harm. Where would you f the police attitude be then?

-Or better yet, There is more than likely a chance that the cops in your community have an unwritten list of homes/people who lets say get somewhat less attention or less response time to their homes/communities, than say a 911 call from a fellow officer's house, and at your home at the same time, someone on that list may have to wait out their situation a little longer than the officer's family would have to wait. So PM me your info, and let me see if I can get your name added to that list...

After all if you want to F-the police, then be ready bend over and take a turn in the barrel, be ready to reap the consequence of your philosophy.

Or are you just reciting lyrics from the 90s?

Quote:Again,A cop's primary goal is to feel safe and have control over a situation FIRST.

And you're okay with him shooting anyone he fucking feels like, huh?  Oh, well. You're a southern white.  It's to be expected.

You are what Hillary was talking about when she mentioned The Deplorables.

(September 22, 2016 at 12:53 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(September 22, 2016 at 12:09 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: Au contraire, black men reading books is a serious problem.

Not as serious as black women reading books!

http://uk.businessinsider.com/woman-who-...?r=US&IR=T

Ah, but she read that at a Trump rally. True, many there might have been perplexed by the strange object the young lady was carrying ("Gus, what the heck is that nigra' woman carrying? You think it could be a bomb?"), but few would have understood it was a book or what dire consequences could arise from someone reading one. For that, they would have needed first-hand experience.

Personally, I like to feel safe wherever I go, wherever I live and I hope all my family are all safe. We can hate on the police as much as we want, but I know one thing for sure, if all countries got rid of the police and the justice systems, the world would be in a right old mess. People settling scores, women getting raped, wives or husbands being killed by their partners, mother-in-laws being killed by their son/daughter-in-law. People would be breaking into shops, factories, houses just for pleasure with the intent of stealing property, knowing full well that nothing or no-one would stop them. Furthermore, how many of us are against the death penalty, yet at the same time are willing to use a gun to kill someone breaking into their house. Surely that is an execution, taking of a life, something that we should be against because it is WRONG.

Anyway, getting back to the subject in hand, I have never had any problems with the police, neither in the UK, or in France (believe me, the gendarmes and the police nationale always ask for papers, regardless of colour, religion or origin) and at the same time, 14 years later, I have never been asked once, because I have never attracted attention to myself which leads to police asking for identity in the first place. I am all for law and order, I am in full support of all emergency services because they do a very difficult job in the face of constant criticism because people don't like being told what to do. If you respect the police like you do your parents, then life would be made bearable and you should not have to be visited by a copper in your life. Disrespect a police officer, and you get what you deserve. Mouth off to a police officer, you get what you deserve, act the hard man towards a police officer, you get what you deserve, act with dignity and respect towards a police officer, and they'll treat you with respect too. Treat them like shit, and you'll get it.

(September 22, 2016 at 11:18 am)Drich Wrote: It's real simple sport, Do what the cop say when he says it. It's not a debate, you don't have the right to protest, you don't get an appeal durning an arrest. That is what court is for.

The cop's primary objective is to have complete control of the situation and all parties involved. So the first thing a cop must do is identify an potential dangers. For instance someone acting nervous for any reason in a car. the cop is not to try and figure out why, just remove the nervous person from a potential danger in the car. so the person is asked to step out. if the person does anything besides step out, again primary mandate takes over control the situation. the officer must escalate the situation, any reaction besides submission results in some type of physical force or restraint by the officer. if the person resists or fights back again the officer must continue to escilate the situation first to be on the surviving side of a violent encounter, so the situation is escalated again. No matter where a person is in the escalation of a fight cops are trained to be one step ahead.

You are at a zero confrontation level, a cop is at be ready he may make a move.

you are at offended, the cop must be cock and ready for a fight.

You are thinking about where or not you can take this guy (even if you are going through the motions of compliance,) the cop is at applying non leathal force/disabling you.

You take a swing and depending on what action he has already taken, he shoots.

Those who see unfairness in a police officers actions simply do not understand the dangers of the job nor the mindset/how they are trained to work.. In a douche bag society everyone demands to be treated to who they are as individuals. unfortunately when dealing with criminals, everyone must be treated the same. Meaning everyone is treated like a criminal until a safety threshold can be establish by the officer. When all potential threats have been neutralized and the cop has control of the situation, it can only be then that you can be treated as an individual again.

Approach as an alpha, demand control and fight for it.. get shot.

If this was a race thing then why is it black cops shoot black people? Why is it white cops shoot and kill white people?

As far as protesters are concern they can do whatever they want within the confines of the law.

Everyone is treated like a criminal until a safety threshold can be established? So much for that due process you've been pissing and moaning about, never mind the presumption of innocence. Submit to authority or face execution. Do you really have this poor of a grasp on the founding principles of this country, or do you just act like a dipshit for fun?

The cognitive dissonance must be killing you, because you're sitting here arguing for two separate standards. Rioters should respect due process, but if you fail to do exactly what a cop tells you, it's okay for him to take your life. Never mind the fact that the guy in Tulsa was shot with his hands in the air. Remember, kids, submit to authority absolutely or face death, but don't forget that the state is the devil. I've never met anyone in my life that completely compartmentalizes their beliefs in the way you do. It's just amazing.

And then you have the audacity to call people that want a country where the police treat us fairly and equally a "douchebag society?" Again, I really have to believe that you just troll with this stuff, because I'm extremely skeptical that anyone can be this fucking stupid but still be able to use a computer.

(September 22, 2016 at 10:54 am)Drich Wrote:

(September 22, 2016 at 10:11 am)Thena323 Wrote: Protesters are seeking justice. 

Rioters are probably not. They're opportunists for the most part; plain and simple. 
Their primary interests are their own.

People just can't be bothered to acknowledge the distinction between the two, I guess.

I'm sorry did I say protesters were the same as rioters?

My thread is focused on those who use 'justice' as a way to excuse criminal behavior.

No vengence= We are allowed to burn down businesses, loot stores, kill cops, and the like.

No, you didn't say that.

But, it's clear to almost anyone, that rioters  who engage in burning, looting, and shooting at cops have an ulterior motive; Doing what they like, because they can. 
That's not exactly a revelation.

So, I assumed the OP may have been addressing this "race-based group" as a whole.

(September 22, 2016 at 12:04 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: "people are being stematically gunned down for minor offenses or nothing at all"?  Are you insane, oblivious to truth, or merely intellectually bankrupt?  You sir are a douche of the first order.

'Tis better to be a douche than have my head stuck up my ass.