(September 27, 2016 at 6:16 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Still waiting for the research, the study objectives, the data collection methods, the inclusion/exclusion criteria, the data analysis, independent reviews

And with that statement you have proved that you haven't read any of the research.

(September 27, 2016 at 6:28 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 6:24 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: I appreciate your digression, but I think we were talking about another kind of sexy there

I'm just saying one can be either projective or receptive/attractive in use of their "rightness" and there is a time for both. The ideal would be to learn both and be sensitive to what the circumstances and future growth require.

Well said!  Couldn't agree more.

(September 27, 2016 at 3:58 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 3:46 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: What I'm interested in is how in the name of fuck does this relate to the topic at hand?

Regular fasting has been shone to increase the life spans of mice. In humans fasting triples HGH concentration and boosts brain power.


So you'll have more time and more mental capacity to grok your life's meaning....with the potential to make it mean more.

I'm aware of the research, lol. I didn't realize we were extrapolating it to the possible extension of human life in this particular discussion. Might it be more suited for a thread of its own, perhaps? I was merely cautioning you about making nutrition recommendations to strangers. You should know by now that whenever the topic comes up, I'm usually not far behind. [emoji41]

(September 27, 2016 at 6:52 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 3:58 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: Regular fasting has been shone to increase the life spans of mice. In humans fasting triples HGH concentration and boosts brain power.


So you'll have more time and more mental capacity to grok your life's meaning....with the potential to make it mean more.

I'm aware of the research, lol.  I didn't realize we were extrapolating it to the possible extension of human life in this particular discussion.  Might it be more suited for a thread of its own, perhaps?  I was merely cautioning you about making nutrition recommendations to strangers.  You should know by now that whenever the topic comes up, I'm usually not far behind.  [emoji41]

I'm thankful that you are.

If it's a simple quantitative function, more life = more meaning of life. But I don't think linear accumulation is the only variable in one's feeling of meaning of life nor the only variable affected by fasting.

If we want lasting depth of experience we need to dig that space within our selves. The spiritual function of fasting is not in caloric restriction (however helpful it may be) but in fasting from the informational world of Man and taking time out for "God"/spiritual exploration/discipline/application.

"I" is the ground of personal experience. Dig a well, plant good seed, tend the garden and reap the benefits.

(September 27, 2016 at 6:27 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 6:16 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Jeff Long, radiation oncologist, nuff said. Not qualified.
Sam Parnia, AWARE study, critique review: http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index...ce-of-nde/
Pim van Pommel, review of the Lancet publication: http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=23455
Bruce Greyson, rational wiki: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Forum:Bruce...info_found, there are plenty of other critical reviews

And of those critical reviewers how many are NDE researchers who have performed their own studies on the topic?

None, because it's not worth studying, unless you're into woo. There is no medical benefit.

(September 27, 2016 at 7:53 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 6:27 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: And of those critical reviewers how many are NDE researchers who have performed their own studies on the topic?

None, because it's not worth studying, unless you're into woo. There is no medical benefit.

(September 27, 2016 at 6:30 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 6:16 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Still waiting for the research, the study objectives, the data collection methods, the inclusion/exclusion criteria, the data analysis, independent reviews

And with that statement you have proved that you haven't read any of the research.

You're right, I haven't. But then I didn't bring research up, you did (post 302). Guess I won't hold my breath.

(September 27, 2016 at 7:55 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 7:53 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: None, because it's not worth studying, unless you're into woo. There is no medical benefit.

I have no idea what that means.

(September 27, 2016 at 7:57 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 7:55 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

I have no idea what that means.

If there is no financial benefit, there is no financial backing, it won't be studied.

I can end up in the hospital for any reason and create a fantastical story that those doctors would consider credible, not because of any actual reasoning but instead due to confirmation bias.