(October 26, 2016 at 3:55 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(October 26, 2016 at 2:48 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: Which denomination?
Tommy Hillfiger?
Vidal Sassoon?
The Church of God in Levis?

Justa  chronic miss spellir.

Whn yur knot shor howl two spel sumptin al yu gat two dew iz gow tew Gugawl an luke id op. Thatz wat I dew.

Dear Asmodee, please try to be serious, you have got to have in your mind a concept of God that or the information of the concept of God that corresponds to the information of the concept of God that I proffer, otherwise you are denying to no serious purpose but as a flippant remark, the existence of God in accordance with the information of the concept of God from me a theist, namely:

• God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

As you are to all appearances intent on flippancy, I will have to terminate my exchange with you - unless you return to the kind of serious mood that does credit to Atheistforums.org.

May I just request that you present your information of the concept of God in a succinct statement, there is a Finnish Dictionary of Atheism* which might assist you to come to an information of the concept of God or god, which then we can exchange thoughts on as to ultimately concur that yes, God exists. or no, God does not exist.

*I will provide you with the internet link to this dictionary.

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Asmodee

(October 26, 2016 at 12:01 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Let's see, my concept of god: god is magic, god is fantasy, god is delusion, god is an excuse, god is an escape, god is a manipulation, god is illogic, god is non factual, god is untrue, god is anecdotal.

OK, your turn Mario, prove me wrong.

Edit: Oops, I almost forgot: god is man made. According to your words (and assuming your are human): "God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning."

Sounds man made to me, not god made.

Now there is a concept of a god I can't find any issues with.  Let's go through each thing and see what is right or wrong with it.

God is magic - well, OBVIOUSLY!  I've never heard of a god playing D&D in his mom's basement.  I've never heard of a god doing anything "ordinary".  So this is pretty much standard for being "a god".

God is fantasy - that one is certainly undisprovable, the defacto standard for a particular god being real!  There is even plenty of evidence for it since there are thousands of god and each and every one seems to always agree EXACTLY with what his follower believes and desires to be true.

God is delusion - there certainly has been some proof of this.  Children dying because praying didn't cure simple diseases, snake handlers dying of snake bites, the Branch Davidians, Heaven's Gate...there is a rather long list of evidences to support this.

God is excuse - Jihad.  Enough said.

God is an escape - people use any given god to escape reality every day.  That is, unless you believe both that you will be reincarnated according to how good you are AND eventually also go to Heaven.  But then you still have to deal with all the people who believe only one of those things and not both.

God is manipulation - we covered that with the cults.

God is illogic - see the OP of this thread.

God is non-factual - ask anyone who believes in a god a really tough question and more likely than not they will have an answer, no matter what the question, no batter if they had never before considered it, no matter that their particular source of "knowledge" says nothing about the subject.  You know what that means?  THEY'RE MAKING IT UP!

God is untrue - again we have an undisprovable god-claim, and if you can't prove it wrong then it's right by default!  Then there is also this little thought; every claim ever made about a god at any point in time has either been A) not be proved to be true or B) proved to be not true.  It may be "undisprovable", but that doesn't mean there isn't evidence to support it.

God is anecdotal - I seem to remember a quote recently about "spiritual evidence" in place of, you know, ACTUAL evidence.  That pretty much sums this one up.

God is man made - nobody denies at least most gods are.  So, once again, every god for which there is total agreement is known to have been man made.  On top of that, most would agree that at least MOST gods are man made.  Many would agree that at least ALL BUT ONE god is man made, but they can't agree on which god isn't.  While not evidence of truth, it is pretty suggestive of truth.

So yeah, just tell me what religion you are and that's what I am from here on out (please be atheist, please be atheist, please be atheist...hey, nothing wrong with the god you choose agreeing with you 100%, right?)

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Dear colleagues here, as Asmodee has returned to our exchange on an one on one protocol. please excuse me from reacting to your posts, for I am only one poster, not a battalion.

Here is the internet link to the Finnish Dictionary of Atheism.

Dictionary of Atheism.

What an idiot!

Is this a real thread or a troll? I'm not going through 19 pages to figure out.
If troll good job.
If real... he does know he is on an atheist page right? That if simple debate were able to change our mind we wouldn't still be atheists?

Hello Mariosep.

Are you intentionally choosing to ignore post #164?

(October 26, 2016 at 2:59 am)Mariosep Wrote: Now, I appreciate the efforts of the posters here who do not attend to the proof from me but go into digressions with talking flippant utterances.

But several people, including me (see post #44) have responded to your 'proof', and yet here we are, hundreds of posts later, and you have not responded to them.

Your 'proof' is fallacious.

Quote:So, dear readers, let us all sit back and wait with bated breath for the resourceful one poster to set forth the proof of the existence of the nose in his face, in the reality of objective existence outside of concepts in our mind.

Oh please...

If you could provide the same level of evidence for your god as there is for the nose on my face, I would no longer be an atheist.

But what do we get from you, and every other apologist?

Flawed and fallacious philosophical arguments.

Sorry, but no matter how hard you try, you can't 'logic' a god into existence (even if the logic is valid and sound). Sooner or later, the rubber has to hit the road, as it were, and demonstrable and falsifiable evidence has to be provided.

Dear brewer, please give me the link, it is difficult to navigate to your post.

For the rest of posters here who maintain that they don't have any information of the concept of God, since they are atheists, meaning if I am correct, they deny the existence of God, gods, goddesses, deities, divinities, etc., please just choose one of them to give me the information of this one you choose to deny existence to; of course there are many of them according to your self-description of being an atheist, i.e. denying the existence of God, gods, etc.; you see unless you bring up one for us to discuss on whether any
God, gods, etc., at all exist, forgive me but it is irrational to keep on insisting that you don't need to have any information of God, gods, etc.

I hope you see my point, it is like you deny the existence of say fairies, but you don't have any information of the concept of what at least one fairy or one kind of fairies are, I am really at a loss how you can be into denying their existence when you do not in effect know what at least one of them is at all.

• mh.brewer Online DonatorsDonator*****Religious Views: atheistPosts: 6394Threads: 171Joined: 17th June 2015Reputation: 46#185RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?38 minutes agoHello Mariosep.Are you intentionally choosing to ignore post #164?god(s)/religion is for people who can't handle reality.Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. Ozzy or Twain/take your pick

(October 26, 2016 at 12:01 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Let's see, my concept of god: god is magic, god is fantasy, god is delusion, god is an excuse, god is an escape, god is a manipulation, god is illogic, god is non factual, god is untrue, god is anecdotal.

OK, your turn Mario, prove me wrong.

Edit: Oops, I almost forgot: god is man made. According to your words (and assuming your are human): "God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning."

Sounds man made to me, not god made.

OK Mariosep, bumped this forward for you. By the way, each post is numbered, It's not that difficult. Are you being intentionally evasive?

@Mario: To quote another member's post, please use the button labelled [Reply] at the foot of the post you wish to quote. It would also be helpful if you only select the part you wosh to address in your quote, but be careful about altering the quoted text.

(October 26, 2016 at 7:48 pm)Mariosep Wrote: Dear brewer, please give me the link, it is difficult to navigate to your post.

For the rest of posters here who maintain that they don't have any information of the concept of God, since they are atheists, meaning if I am correct, they deny the existence of God, gods, goddesses, deities, divinities, etc., please just choose one of them to give me the information of this one you choose to deny existence to; of course there are many of them according to your self-description of being an atheist, i.e. denying the existence of God, gods, etc.; you see unless you bring up one for us to discuss on whether any
God, gods, etc., at all exist, forgive me but it is irrational to keep on insisting that you don't need to have any information of God, gods, etc.

I hope you see my point, it is like you deny the existence of say fairies, but you don't have any information of the concept of what at least one fairy or one kind of fairies are, I am really at a loss how you can be into denying their existence when you do not in effect know what at least one of them is at all.

• mh.brewer Online DonatorsDonator*****Religious Views: atheistPosts: 6394Threads: 171Joined: 17th June 2015Reputation: 46#185RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?38 minutes agoHello Mariosep.Are you intentionally choosing to ignore post #164?god(s)/religion is for people who can't handle reality.Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. Ozzy or Twain/take your pick

I was raised in a Catholic / Pentecostal home. Father is a preacher. I deny the existence of all gods not just the christians savior-on-a stick!