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Another apologist with his "clever" questions
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 (November 4, 2016 at 9:49 pm)Jesster Wrote: Why assume that there are other universes with other rules? Just because you can imagine them existing doesn't mean they are real. It's always been a hypothetical in our discussion here. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
 (November 4, 2016 at 9:48 pm)FallentoReason Wrote:(November 4, 2016 at 9:44 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: You're not following the conclusion of your ideas, ftr. Yes, you can argue about how ambiguous Mathematics is in principle or whatever, about how there could conceivably be other rules of logic in another universe... But you actually can't because you're in this universe and bound by the logic "from here". Trying to argue another kind of logic into existence by using yet another one is much like trying to both have your cake and eat it. It won't work. . You can imagine it if you want, but it won't make any sense by your own admission. 
Jesster
Your friendly neighborhood heathen  Religious Views: I am the creator goddess. Prove me wrong. (November 4, 2016 at 9:50 pm)FallentoReason Wrote:(November 4, 2016 at 9:49 pm)Jesster Wrote: Why assume that there are other universes with other rules? Just because you can imagine them existing doesn't mean they are real. Then it's pointless. Thank you for clarifying for me. 
I don't believe you. Get over it.
(November 4, 2016 at 9:50 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote:(November 4, 2016 at 9:48 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: No shit. I've already said a multitude of times in the beginning that we're conditioned to this space-time. All that means is that we can't imagine what other rules would be like in principle, but we can imagine that there could be other ones that exist, because again, why even assume *these* rules are the only ones that can be applied to a universe? Nothing more, nothing less. My own admission is that goblygoop is a logical set of rules. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
(November 4, 2016 at 9:51 pm)Jesster Wrote:(November 4, 2016 at 9:50 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: It's always been a hypothetical in our discussion here. Then philosophy to you is pointless, which is fine. "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
Jesster
Your friendly neighborhood heathen Religious Views: I am the creator goddess. Prove me wrong. (November 4, 2016 at 9:53 pm)FallentoReason Wrote:(November 4, 2016 at 9:51 pm)Jesster Wrote: Then it's pointless. Thank you for clarifying for me. That has been true so far on this forum.
I don't believe you. Get over it.
RE: Another apologist with his "clever" questions
November 4, 2016 at 9:58 pm
(This post was last modified: November 4, 2016 at 10:00 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 4, 2016 at 9:53 pm)FallentoReason Wrote:(November 4, 2016 at 9:50 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: . You can imagine it if you want, but it won't make any sense by your own admission. Then it's not goblygoop, it's just logic, and logically, 2+2=4...so, as was pointed out pages ago, no, your hypothetical god can;t do the thing you claimed it could (make 2+2=5) in order to avoid a serious and rational god concept that you would be held to, while ducking for cover from the previously dropped ramblings of how the universe would be so and so if god were such and such. Whose time do you value less, for reference. Mine or your own?
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(November 4, 2016 at 9:50 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Sure we can imagine them, you imagined a universe in which 2+2=5. Is there some point at which you;re goig to say anything that's true even by reference to your own loose statements and standards? Fred is not fucking bob!!!! I already called you out on that. Fred and bob are both humans. Our rules here and goblygoop are both "LOGICAL". They are both a formal set of rules that define how a universe works. By that definition goblygoopland has its own version of logic. I'm not asking you to make sense of the actual rules (i.e. 2 + 2 = 5) because yes, TA-DAAA, they are not logical here. But I never said they were logical here. I said they are logical *there*. And the reason being is simply because why not? To say why they aren't logical there is to somehow say our rules here are the True Logic ™ of all the universes. No, that simply isn't so. For all we know, our universe *is* goblygoop. The only way to find out is if we could uncondition our minds, which we obviously cannot. Capeesh? "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
Fallen, let's say I accept your premise. What follows?
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