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RE: Who is to blame.
November 16, 2016 at 12:21 pm
(November 16, 2016 at 12:16 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Umm . . .
I'm more interested in the 10,000,000 who had voted for Obama but did not vote for Hillary.
The consensus I'm seeing everywhere is that all the Trump supporters are mindless NAZI racist slavering conservative hate ghouls.
Those 10,000,000 on the other hand are, as recent converts, just mindless NAZI racist slavering conservative hate ghoul wannabes. It might yet be possible to redeem their souls if we just knew more about what they find either so appealing about the David Duke KKK crap, or what is so absolutely repellent about Obamaism.
I want to understand.
Obama offered to change the system. Trump also offered to change the system. Hillary did not. Most people don't like the status quo, and that's all Hillary is.
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RE: Who is to blame.
November 16, 2016 at 12:29 pm
Hillary without a doubt would have preserved Obama's legacy far more faithfully than Trump (who has promised to dismantle it brick by brick) will.
As it stands now, it is a pretty safe prediction the entirety of Obama's accomplishments over the last 8 years of blood sweat and tears will be an EXTREMELY controversial pardon of Hillary Clinton (should she choose to accept it) and at a lesser level of probability, concurrent pardons for Bill Clinton and the DNC*.
* and you are probably wondering how in the hell can Obama pardon the DNC?? LOL, that is the flip side of Citizens United!! Think about it.
The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it.
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RE: Who is to blame.
November 17, 2016 at 6:25 pm
(November 16, 2016 at 12:14 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (November 16, 2016 at 11:03 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: ![[Image: hqdefault.jpg]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/neGbKHyGuHU/hqdefault.jpg)
You mean like these guys? I don't believe for a a minute that they in any way reflected on who Obama was or would be. Should I have?
Did you not ask yourself what their motives were? Did you not ask yourself why they cottoned to Obama rather than that Mormon fuck? I did. I reckoned they did so for reasons of race, too.
That is correct. Now ask yourself if these guy supported Obama does it follow that everyone who voted for Obama shared the values of the Black Panthers? Of course not. But that is exactly what you are saying with respect to Trump and the KKK. I think that is shameful slander not only of Trump but of anyone who voted for him.
And are you using "Mormon" as an insult?
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RE: Who is to blame.
November 17, 2016 at 6:37 pm
(This post was last modified: November 17, 2016 at 6:37 pm by Faith No More.)
Yeah, Obama had a couple of Black Panthers supporting him, and Trump galvanized neo-Nazis and white nationalists like no candidate in several decades. Those things are totally the same.
Whatever it takes to deny the obvious, eh, Chad?
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RE: Who is to blame.
November 17, 2016 at 8:09 pm
(This post was last modified: November 17, 2016 at 8:11 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
The pointlessness is so obvious. Obama didn't stump, himself, on a black panther platform. A vote for Obama was not a vote for black panther ideology, even if black panthers voted for him. Trump, otoh, was explicitly and openly racist in his campaign promises. A vote for -Trump- was a vote for racist ideologies, regardless of whether or not any racists voted for him...which, ofc.....they did.
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RE: Who is to blame.
November 17, 2016 at 8:12 pm
False analogy is false.
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RE: Who is to blame.
November 17, 2016 at 8:13 pm
(November 16, 2016 at 12:29 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Hillary without a doubt would have preserved Obama's legacy far more faithfully than Trump (who has promised to dismantle it brick by brick) will.
As it stands now, it is a pretty safe prediction the entirety of Obama's accomplishments over the last 8 years of blood sweat and tears will be an EXTREMELY controversial pardon of Hillary Clinton (should she choose to accept it) and at a lesser level of probability, concurrent pardons for Bill Clinton and the DNC*.
* and you are probably wondering how in the hell can Obama pardon the DNC?? LOL, that is the flip side of Citizens United!! Think about it.
Don't they need to be at least indicted before they can be pardoned?
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RE: Who is to blame.
November 17, 2016 at 8:16 pm
(This post was last modified: November 17, 2016 at 8:16 pm by Thumpalumpacus.)
(November 17, 2016 at 6:25 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (November 16, 2016 at 12:14 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Did you not ask yourself what their motives were? Did you not ask yourself why they cottoned to Obama rather than that Mormon fuck? I did. I reckoned they did so for reasons of race, too.
That is correct. Now ask yourself if these guy supported Obama does it follow that everyone who voted for Obama shared the values of the Black Panthers? Of course not. But that is exactly what you are saying with respect to Trump and the KKK. I think that is shameful slander not only of Trump but of anyone who voted for him.
You see, I did ask myself that, and came to a negative conclusion -- just as I came to a negative conclusion that all Trump supporters are racists.
That does not, however, abnegate my point, which is that when you look at folks like this who support a particular candidate, it behooves you to ask why they are supporting him.
(November 17, 2016 at 6:25 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: And are you using "Mormon" as an insult?
Are you offended?
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RE: Who is to blame.
November 17, 2016 at 8:17 pm
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RE: Who is to blame.
November 17, 2016 at 8:19 pm
(November 17, 2016 at 8:09 pm)Rhythm Wrote: A vote for Obama was not a vote for black panther ideology, even if black panthers voted for him. Trump, otoh, was explicitly and openly racist in his campaign promises. A vote for -Trump- was a vote for racist ideologies, regardless of whether or not any racists voted for him...which, ofc.....they did.
There you have it. And looking at supporters and using their own ideology as insight is a useful tool to garnering insight into the politician's platform -- not that that was needed with Trump because, as you say, he was pretty open about his bigotries.
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