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Who is to blame.

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Who is to blame.
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RE: Who is to blame.
November 17, 2016 at 8:25 pm
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RE: Who is to blame.
November 17, 2016 at 10:09 pm
(November 17, 2016 at 8:09 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Trump, otoh, was explicitly and openly racist in his campaign promises.

That is a lie. He did no such thing.
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RE: Who is to blame.
November 17, 2016 at 10:23 pm
Even if he did no such thing it doesn't mean Rhythm is lying.
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RE: Who is to blame.
November 17, 2016 at 11:26 pm
(November 17, 2016 at 8:13 pm)Aristocatt Wrote:
(November 16, 2016 at 12:29 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Hillary without a doubt would have preserved Obama's legacy far more faithfully than Trump (who has promised to dismantle it brick by brick) will.


As it stands now, it is a pretty safe prediction the entirety of Obama's accomplishments over the last 8 years of blood sweat and tears will be an EXTREMELY controversial pardon of Hillary Clinton (should she choose to accept it) and at a lesser level of probability, concurrent pardons for Bill Clinton and the DNC*.


* and you are probably wondering how in the hell can Obama pardon the DNC??   LOL, that is the flip side of Citizens United!!  Think about it.

Don't they need to be at least indicted before they can be pardoned?

Nope

Ford's pardon of Tricky Dicky for instance.
 The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it. 




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RE: Who is to blame.
November 18, 2016 at 12:39 am
To the OP's question, I directly blame our crappy education system here in the US. A system that pushes students through regardless if they're learning or not. And a college and university system that exists to service paying customers and is more concerned with how lux student housing and dining halls are instead of teaching critical thinking skills.
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RE: Who is to blame.
November 18, 2016 at 1:05 am
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 The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it. 




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RE: Who is to blame.
November 18, 2016 at 7:19 am
(November 17, 2016 at 10:09 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(November 17, 2016 at 8:09 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Trump, otoh, was explicitly and openly racist in his campaign promises.

That is a lie. He did no such thing.

So all of the white nationalists that were exuberant about a Trump presidency just misunderstood? It's just a coincidence that racists are salivating over Trump?

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RE: Who is to blame.
November 18, 2016 at 9:55 am
(November 17, 2016 at 10:09 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(November 17, 2016 at 8:09 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Trump, otoh, was explicitly and openly racist in his campaign promises.

That is a lie. He did no such thing.

I don't think his campaign promises were explicitly racist. But the initial promise to exclude all Muslim immigrants was clearly an appeal to bigotry. His castigating a judge hearing his case as being unfair because of his race was also a balloon released so the bigots in this country could see where Trump stood. The wall, while being aimed nominally at illegal aliens, had a racist element insofar as there's no other initiative to take care of the other 50% of the illegal immigration.

He never said, "I hate spics and will work to keep them out of the country", you're right. But his racism was obvious to anyone with two neurons functioning. Anyone who could look past his base racism and vote for him should be asking themselves long, hard questions.

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RE: Who is to blame.
November 18, 2016 at 2:43 pm (This post was last modified: November 18, 2016 at 2:45 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
LOL, I love how Neo there seems to think that the only way to be explicitly or openly racist is to say something along the lines of "I'm a racist, I'll do this thing for you...which is racist, because racism".

That's my favorite game, bigot chicken.  Betcha I win best 2/3. I can make a dark man blush.
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RE: Who is to blame.
November 18, 2016 at 2:48 pm
(November 18, 2016 at 9:55 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(November 17, 2016 at 10:09 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: That is a lie. He did no such thing.

I don't think his campaign promises were explicitly racist. But the initial promise to exclude all Muslim immigrants was clearly an appeal to bigotry. His castigating a judge hearing his case as being unfair because of his race was also a balloon released so the bigots in this country could see where Trump stood. The wall, while being aimed nominally at illegal aliens, had a racist element insofar as there's no other initiative to take care of the other 50% of the illegal immigration.

He never said, "I hate spics and will work to keep them out of the country", you're right. But his racism was obvious to anyone with two neurons functioning. Anyone who could look past his base racism and vote for him should be asking themselves long, hard questions.

To be fair, "Muslim" is a religion, not a race lol. Sorry, I know it doesn't make it any less ridiculous to not allow people of a certain faith into the country, but it's a pet peeve of mine that people keep referring to anything anti Muslim as "racist" when Muslim isn't a race.  Sleepy
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