(November 18, 2016 at 9:55 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I don't think his campaign promises were explicitly racist. But the initial promise to exclude all Muslim immigrants was clearly an appeal to bigotry.

Racism is just the first born son of bigotry as antisemitism is the son of racism. It's all about semantics. If you single a certain demographic out to call them all kinds of names and broadbrush them to be inferior, you are a bigot or at least someone appealing to the most primitive insticts of your followers. In this context it doesn't matter if it's about jews, muslims, mexicans or stamp collectors. The unerlying sentiment is always the same.

As I always say, try to insert "jew" instead of Mexican into the first speech of Trump. Right when he announced his candidacy. Try it on for size, let it roll off your tongue and you see where this is going.

Not that it matters whether or not muslims aren't a race, the racists see them as a race and treat them as such, lol.

Just hand them some photos and ask them to pick out the muslim. It won't matter that the photos don't contain any muslims, they'll make the assumption on prompt and pick one that "looks that way"..and it won't be the white guy -even if that guy -is- the muslim.

The same will hold true if you ask them to pick out the illegal immigrant.

I hear you, I simply stick to "bigot" so that the "Muslim isn't a race" canard can't be brought into play. Racism is, after all, a subset of bigotry.

Hehehe, I like to watch em pull that one, I guess. Gotta take the lulz where you can get em.

(November 18, 2016 at 3:36 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Hehehe, I like to watch em pull that one, I guess.  Gotta take the lulz where you can get em.

Some of them do just that. You know we don't even have that semantic distinction in the German language. When you say racism even the racists don't try to wiggle out from being called one. They just try to justify their racism.

You've got a better class of assholes than we do, apparently. Ours don't try to justify it, they just wriggle. I chalk it up to the success of years of leftist propaganda and shaming. A self-hating racist situation.

Probably why trump worked. Made them feel a little* bit better for being who they are, even if they still have to be careful about it.

*OTOH, Mins drumpfucks thread.....lol?

(November 18, 2016 at 3:42 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You've got a better class of assholes than we do, apparently.

No, they just don't have that much wiggle room because of semantics.

(November 18, 2016 at 2:53 pm)abaris Wrote:

(November 18, 2016 at 9:55 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I don't think his campaign promises were explicitly racist. But the initial promise to exclude all Muslim immigrants was clearly an appeal to bigotry.

Racism is just the first born son of bigotry as antisemitism is the son of racism. It's all about semantics. If you single a certain demographic out to call them all kinds of names and broadbrush them to be inferior, you are a bigot or at least someone appealing to the most primitive insticts of your followers. In this context it doesn't matter if it's about jews, muslims, mexicans or stamp collectors. The unerlying sentiment is always the same.

As I always say, try to insert "jew" instead of Mexican into the first speech of Trump. Right when he announced his candidacy. Try it on for size, let it roll off your tongue and you see where this is going.

I was talking to a guy the other day who was born from Mexican immigrants (didn't ask him if his parents were legal), but he identifies first as American in his identity hierarchy. He also refers to himself as an American Mexican, not a Mexican American like the left says he's supposed to identify as. He mentioned some of his other latino and black friends also supported Trump, and also identified themselves as Americans. One guy called himself an American African, not an African American. They all have friends that think Trump is the worst, and call them race traitors, and racist against latinos and blacks. That's how disconnected the regressive alt-left has become, and also why the democratic party imploded. There is a great awakening in the US, because the more the left doubles down on their flawed and failed ideology of dividing the populations into groups, people are seeing what it is. Just devisive victim ideology and identity politics. 

Trump won because the message was more for America as a whole. Gays, blacks, religious, atheists, latinos, men, women, Asians, Indians, all have something in common. Instead on focusing on what's best for each group, focus on what's good for the whole. Reigniting the economy, removing the govenor Obama put on our economic engine by shutting down power plants, making industry to expensive to run in this country leading to manufacturing in other countries is something that resonates. Rising tides raises all ships. It has nothing to do with racism.

I think some of you extreme leftists should talk to some former leftists. They will explain the transition.

(November 18, 2016 at 3:26 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I hear you, I simply stick to "bigot" so that the "Muslim isn't a race" canard can't be brought into play. Racism is, after all, a subset of bigotry.

When someone is being a bigoted twat-face by saying all Muslims are terrible people or some such shit, and someone calls them racist and they respond "Muslim isn't a race" I'd love to chime in with something like "...and a red herring isn't just a fish."

I always thought herring was a bird.