(November 27, 2016 at 5:32 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(November 26, 2016 at 2:37 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: The left is basically done in Britain at this point.

So no, he won't be PM.

We, along with Europe, are swinging to the right.

And that is a bad thing.
The right is not a good place. it is a selfish place, a place that separates based on petty differences or social standing that oppresses and removes help for the needy.
As the world lurches towards the right you will see hard fought for things go, you will see benefit payments cut, social housing sold off, cuts to every sort of social initiative as the rich try to keep all the money for themselves at the expense of everyone one else. They will not pay their share at the same time as railing against scroungers.

They're alright jack sod everyone else.
 
The right are the bad guys.

I agree with you to an extent. I am in favour of a strong safety net and social housing, and certainly don't want to see those services destroyed. Maybe the left will rise again once the Labour Party eventually splits.

Jeremy Corbyn will never be PM though.

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(November 27, 2016 at 5:32 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: David Cameron must be on there as the worst PM ever. He has led the country into the disaterous Brexit which will cripple the UK forever and seems to be unexpectedly dragging down the world.
Brexit seems to be the point where the world went into the bad version of the star trek universe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_rTTXCOpL8

He certainly wasn't a good PM by any means, but he doesn't quite make the list. Still not over Brexit, huh?

(November 27, 2016 at 12:02 am)Maelstrom Wrote: Everyone seems to be celebrating his death.

I don't blame them.

I hope my death is as widely celebrated.

If Trump kicked over from a NATURAL illness I would feel a great sense of relief. I have never hated any western politician as much as I hate him. I don't think I'd celebrate it though, but would not lose one lick of sleep either. He is a bully and one sick fuck who has no business in politics.

(November 27, 2016 at 7:42 am)Brian37 Wrote: If Trump kicked over from a NATURAL illness I would feel a great sense of relief. I have never hated any western politician as much as I hate him. I don't think I'd celebrate it though, but would not lose one lick of sleep either. He is a bully and one sick fuck who has no business in politics.

There's quite a large gap between being indifferent or outright celebrating ones death. In the case of Castro I'm totally indifferent. I only hope, once Raul's gone too, the country finally gets a chance to find it's own way. Meaning it shouldn't be the expats from Miami determining it's future but the local dissidents and the population at large who had the guts and the stamina to stay.

As far as Trump is concerned, I always despised that creature. Long before he was running for presidents and opened his loudmouth to the public at large. In my opinion he always was the epitome of everything that's wrong with American society without showing any good American traits. A caricature of the filthy rich, so to speak. I wouldn't celebrate his demise either. I just wouldn't care. Which is true for 99.9 percent of the world's population.

(November 27, 2016 at 9:25 am)abaris Wrote:

(November 27, 2016 at 7:42 am)Brian37 Wrote: If Trump kicked over from a NATURAL illness I would feel a great sense of relief. I have never hated any western politician as much as I hate him. I don't think I'd celebrate it though, but would not lose one lick of sleep either. He is a bully and one sick fuck who has no business in politics.

There's quite a large gap between being indifferent or outright celebrating ones death. In the case of Castro I'm totally indifferent. I only hope, once Raul's gone too, the country finally gets a chance to find it's own way. Meaning it shouldn't be the expats from Miami determining it's future but the local dissidents and the population at large who had the guts and the stamina to stay.

As far as Trump is concerned, I always despised that creature. Long before he was running for presidents and opened his loudmouth to the public at large. In my opinion he always was the epitome of everything that's wrong with American society without showing any good American traits. A caricature of the filthy rich, so to speak. I wouldn't celebrate his demise either. I just wouldn't care. Which is true for 99.9 percent of the world's population.

It is also sad that Reagan started the age of deregulation, because the rich had tons to do with the liberal policies of investment that lead to the economic boom that lead to the middle class. GREED took over unfortunately.

Trump is no FORD, Trump is a greedy opportunist and NOTHING the rich should aspire to replicate.

(November 27, 2016 at 5:44 am)Bella Morte Wrote: He certainly wasn't a good PM by any means, but he doesn't quite make the list. Still not over Brexit, huh?

And the horror from Brexit has not yet begun. Shit is yet to come into contact with fan.
Brexit will cripple the country till we go crawling back in a few decades.
Do you know how many experts said Brexit would be a good thing? no experts, that's how many. People went with their "gut" the same way they did for trump and ignored all the facts and evidence.

(November 26, 2016 at 10:31 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(November 26, 2016 at 10:06 pm)Full Circle Wrote:

No moron, they are alike in attitude. BOTH are selfish narcissists and opportunists. They are not alike only in the context of the governments but both ran selling populism and both like to be feared.

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(November 26, 2016 at 10:13 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: They do have similarities. They both don't keep their deals.

Castro has actual blood on his hands. I'm grim about Trump and he will have blood on his hands, but to match Castro he will need to burn through a lot of resistance and people. He is nowhere close to thr blood.

Castro is dead. This is a thread about his death.

Aside from the president elect's boorish behavior, he is immaterial and off topic.

Keep it up and I may excise the off topic cancer into another thread for the sake of the current threads discussion and respect to the members.

It is not off topic. When you have even 50 Republican former law agents calling his rhetoric dangerous that goes way beyond "boorish" it is TOXIC and can lead to deaths in more wars, in a very literal sense. I only agree that right now Trump has a far way to go, true. But if more of his loyalist take the same tactics he did to win more elections that sets the very same road long term.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/09/us/pol....html?_r=0

He likes the fear and is ruthless in his business dealings. He conned his way to the presidency by selling the same hyper nationalism populist salespitch. Again, the only difference between Trump and Castro, or Hitler for that matter, is that we are still enough in tact that he is limited. BUT HIS TONE is toxic, both with global diplomacy which right now is the biggest concern, but domestically if GOP wins more elections replicating his demagoguery we will have a a one party state.

You could have stated your case without the epithet. You are certainly as obnoxious on this forum as over on TTA. 

While I dislike and distrust Trump, to compare him to Castro is a flight of imagination. It is making Castro sound benign. Should the American public be vigilant? Absolutely. When he starts to jail dissidents and reporters and executes a few then your comparison will have merit. Until then Chicken Little try to remain grounded in reality.

One last reminder why this guy was evil and comparing him to Trump is ridiculous.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/264975/w...mie-glazov

(November 27, 2016 at 12:09 pm)Full Circle Wrote:

(November 26, 2016 at 10:31 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No moron, they are alike in attitude. BOTH are selfish narcissists and opportunists. They are not alike only in the context of the governments but both ran selling populism and both like to be feared.

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It is not off topic. When you have even 50 Republican former law agents calling his rhetoric dangerous that goes way beyond "boorish" it is TOXIC and can lead to deaths in more wars, in a very literal sense. I only agree that right now Trump has a far way to go, true. But if more of his loyalist take the same tactics he did to win more elections that sets the very same road long term.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/09/us/pol....html?_r=0

He likes the fear and is ruthless in his business dealings. He conned his way to the presidency by selling the same hyper nationalism populist salespitch. Again, the only difference between Trump and Castro, or Hitler for that matter, is that we are still enough in tact that he is limited. BUT HIS TONE is toxic, both with global diplomacy which right now is the biggest concern, but domestically if GOP wins more elections replicating his demagoguery we will have a a one party state.

You could have stated your case without the epithet. You are certainly as obnoxious on this forum as over on TTA. 

While I dislike and distrust Trump, to compare him to Castro is a flight of imagination. It is making Castro sound benign. Should the American public be vigilant? Absolutely. When he starts to jail dissidents and reporters and executes a few then your comparison will have merit. Until then Chicken Little try to remain grounded in reality.

I AM grounded in reality. Our own history is full of very horrible transgressions to certain groups of people and those transgressions WERE based on otherism and xenophobia and sold with political demagoguery. AGAIN it isn't that he can topple the government on day one, or in 2 years or even 8 years. HIS TONE is TOXIC and if more politicians adapt that tactic to win, it can and WILL lead to the same horrors of the past. 

We had slavery, we committed genocide against Native Americans, we had black lynchings and at one point a majority of congress being members of the KKK. And the internment camps of innocent Japanese. The amount of hate groups shot through the roof upon Obama's first election. Now we see Trump filling his staff with anti LGBT asshole pence and won with strategist and racist Breitbart asshole Bannon.

Vigilance ABSOLUTELY which is why everyone should remind everyone else of the past so we dont repeat it. But right now it seems we are regressing a bit.

(November 27, 2016 at 7:42 am)Brian37 Wrote: If Trump kicked over from a NATURAL illness I would feel a great sense of relief.

I prefer dealing with Trump's shit than Pence's.

(November 28, 2016 at 9:40 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(November 27, 2016 at 12:09 pm)Full Circle Wrote: You could have stated your case without the epithet. You are certainly as obnoxious on this forum as over on TTA. 

While I dislike and distrust Trump, to compare him to Castro is a flight of imagination. It is making Castro sound benign. Should the American public be vigilant? Absolutely. When he starts to jail dissidents and reporters and executes a few then your comparison will have merit. Until then Chicken Little try to remain grounded in reality.

I AM grounded in reality. Our own history is full of very horrible transgressions to certain groups of people and those transgressions WERE based on otherism and xenophobia and sold with political demagoguery. AGAIN it isn't that he can topple the government on day one, or in 2 years or even 8 years. HIS TONE is TOXIC and if more politicians adapt that tactic to win, it can and WILL lead to the same horrors of the past. 

We had slavery, we committed genocide against Native Americans, we had black lynchings and at one point a majority of congress being members of the KKK. And the internment camps of innocent Japanese. The amount of hate groups shot through the roof upon Obama's first election. Now we see Trump filling his staff with anti LGBT asshole pence and won with strategist and racist Breitbart asshole Bannon.

Vigilance ABSOLUTELY which is why everyone should remind everyone else of the past so we dont repeat it. But right now it seems we are regressing a bit.

Light reading on Castro’s past. http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/264975/w...mie-glazov

While I think Trump is the most unqualified and unprepared person to be elected POTUS in the last 40 years he simply can’t be compared with a tyrant who ruled with an iron fist for half a century when Trump hasn’t spent a single day in the oval office. You’re being hyperbolic and jumping the gun in doing so.