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RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
December 4, 2016 at 9:32 am
(December 3, 2016 at 5:41 pm)Mariosep Wrote: Owing to their vacuity of true argument against God existing, they atheists have to instead avail themselves of raving mad foul language when they appear to be into explaining falsely if at all God does not exist, and also into personal insults against theists like yours truly, and against God, by calling God demeaning names, like Tooth Fairy, Teapot Orbiting in Space (Bertrand Russell), Flying Spaghetti Monster, Invisible Pink Unicorn..
And what makes their existence to you less feasible then Allah, Hanuman, Ganesha, Thor, Jesus? And how do you know Tooth Fairy does not exist?
(December 3, 2016 at 5:41 pm)Mariosep Wrote: Namely: proving existence from experience, and then proving experience from existence?
First, that would be a case of circular reasoning if we do nothing but work on words and concepts all in our mind only, but not when we go into the objective reality of things in the default status of the totality of reality which is existence.
OK, so what kind of experience did you have and with which Deity? Was it something like this?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
December 4, 2016 at 5:05 pm
Dear Readers here, thanks so much for being present in my coffee-shop.
Now, this morning we will undertake to comment on atheists’ beliefs, although individual atheists will tell us that they are all different; just the same they must have some similar beliefs making up their common denominator, otherwise they have no reason whatsoever in calling themselves by the common designation of atheist.
While googling these words, do atheists think, I came across one of the hits in the first page google turned up, namely:
Quote:“What do atheists believe? | Radical Atheist
radicalatheist.com/what-do-atheists-believe-3/
But such differences are not pivotal to the modern atheist's beliefs. We, being all modern day atheists, do verily believe and endorse the following tenets of ...
Upon clicking on the link above there comes forth this webpage, from the ‘radical atheist.com, see ANNEX below.
Here, at the very first paragraph of the page is this declaration:
Quote:[Bolding from Mariosep]
We, being all modern day atheists, do verily believe and endorse the following tenets of Atheism and acknowledge them to be true and proven, by reasonable standards of logic, reason, science, mathematics, and/or observation:
Now, dear readers here, I say nth times that I do thinking on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas; with the declaration above, we should know that atheists or more correctly modern atheists think on “reasonable standards of logic, reason, science, mathematics, and/or observation.”
So, let us know what is the first thing they and how think about on “reasonable standards of logic, reason, science, mathematics, and/or observation.”
In this connection we will not bother with the raving mad foul language, personal insults against me, and against God from atheists in this forum, we will concern ourselves with the atheists in radicalatheist.com who are modern atheists.
Here is the first paragraph of what they believe in:
Quote:THE BEGINNING
Based upon the conclusions of those we reasonably believe to be the most intelligent, learned, rational, and knowledgeable in relevant intellectual pursuits, we believe that the theory known as The Big Bang correctly describes the beginning of our universe. We believe this is the only acceptable logic behind the creation of this universe.
Take notice of the text from them:
“we believe that the theory known as The Big Bang correctly describes the beginning of our universe. We believe this is the only acceptable logic behind the creation of this universe.”
Focus now dear readers, on the phrase in bold, italic, and underline font:
“The Big Bang correctly describes the beginning of our universe. We believe this is the only acceptable logic behind the creation of this universe.”
There, dear readers, they admit that the universe has a beginning, all from their best and most acceptable criteria of thinking and thus knowing or thus believing.
They declare: “…the beginning of our universe. We believe this is the only acceptable logic behind the creation of this universe.”
What do I say about that?
I say, dear modern atheists, thank you: you and I are in unison that the universe has a beginning, and I tell you that everything with a beginning is created and operated by God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
Wherefore, case closed, no need to debate further, you are like me, we are all you modern atheists and I a theist, we both hold that the universe has a beginning, wherefore it follows from your best criteria of thinking. Oh atheists who are existing and operating in modern times, and me also from my best criteria of thinking, we do concur, namely:
That God exists, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
Let us now, dear readers, sit back and await with bated breath the reactions of atheists here on my conclusion that atheists accept that God exists as the creator and operator of the universe.
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Modern atheists hold many beliefs that are common to all or nearly all atheistic believers. To be sure, there are variations based on ongoing advancements in science and mathematics. But such differences are not pivotal to the modern atheist’s beliefs. We, being all modern day atheists, do verily believe and endorse the following tenets of Atheism and acknowledge them to be true and proven, by reasonable standards of logic, reason, science, mathematics, and/or observation:
THE BEGINNING
Based upon the conclusions of those we reasonably believe to be the most intelligent, learned, rational, and knowledgeable in relevant intellectual pursuits, we believe that the theory known as The Big Bang correctly describes the beginning of our universe. We believe this is the only acceptable logic behind the creation of this universe.
LIFE
Based upon the conclusions made by learned men we believe:
1) That life came into being without purpose and without intelligent design or intervention.
2) That humans have not yet been able to create a living organism from inanimate materials, but one day we will be able
to do so.
3) That some characteristics of things that are “alive” are that they: undergo metabolism, have a capacity to grow in size, maintain homeostasis, respond to stimuli, adapt to their environment and reproduce.
4) That concurrently with the advent of Life, The Speck revealed an additional law of nature – evolution. According to the law of evolution, living organisms evolve and adapt to the circumstances of their existence.
5) That the advent of living creatures also brought with it the concept of “purpose” to the universe. Living creatures imposed their own purposes on the universe. Two primary purposes which life imposed for itself are survival and reproduction.
6) That there is no identifiable reason why living things began to impose purposes into their existence, and we will never understand why this happened because life was created without purpose.
7) That more complex living organisms are more active in imposing their purposes, often affecting the purposes of other living organisms. The effects on competing organisms tend to be negative for one or all organisms competing for survival and reproduction. Cooperative organisms tend to enhance one another’s purposes through a relationship we refer to as symbiosis.
8) That from their meager origins as single cell organisms approximately 3.8 billion years ago, living organisms on earth, through applying their inexplicable purposes, evolved into the more than 8.7 billion separate species existing on earth today.
HUMANS
Regarding human beings, we believe:
1) That humans (homo sapiens) evolved according to the inexplicable purposes of their ancestor species, ultimately becoming the most evolved and intelligent life form on Earth.
2) The human brain controls all thoughts, emotions, speech, [hide]and actions of humans.
3) That the human brain is made up of two kinds of cells: neurons and glial cells. The entirety of brain activity is controlled by the interaction of its cells with electrical impulses (usually generated elsewhere in the human nervous system), and chemicals called neurotransmitters which exist in spaces between the brain cells (collectively, human electrochemical brain activity).
4) That human electrochemical brain activity gives humans free will and the ability to make choices regarding the individual human’s actions and inactions.
5) That such choices in turn affect human electrochemical brain activity to cause the human electrochemical brain activity to make additional choices.
6) That the human’s never-ending chain of choices, as determined by human electrochemical brain activity, become the human’s character or personality.
7) That the individual human’s personality or character, and his interactions with other living and inanimate objects determine: a) how the individual human will act or fail to act; b) what the individual will believe or not believe to be true; c) whether the human will choose purposes for his existence and which purposes he will choose.
8) That outside the realm of human electrochemical brain activity, there is no good or evil, right or wrong, fact or fallacy, love or hate, intelligence or idiocy, reason or insanity.
OCCAM’S RAZOR
Occam’s razor holds that, when selecting among competing hypotheses we should usually select the one which offers the simplest explanation, the foregoing beliefs are the simplest explanation for human condition. It logically follows that there is no god and we reject the possibility that god exists.
Some questions on atheist beliefs
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How does one become an atheist? Some people are born that way and never buy into religion to begin with. Others grow up with religion and begin to question it later on. It usually happens in college, or during a midlife crisis, or after a traumatic experience that doesn’t quite fit in with the idea of an all-loving God.
Although it’s theoretically possible for a believer to become an atheist just by analyzing his beliefs in a logical and detached manner, such cases are rather rare. After all, religion is a very sensitive topic for most believers – it’s one of the first things they’ve ever learned, part of the foundation of their entire identity. Try challenging somebody’s beliefs and you’ll often get the same angry reaction you’d get if you insulted that person’s mother.
If you don’t believe in God, what’s the meaning of life? The meaning of life is to find a meaning. It’s what you make of it. For some people, it could be the pursuit of money, for others it’s serving their country or being a good parent. We atheists come from all walks of life, and we’re all different, except for our lack of belief in gods. Since we are not an organized movement or a religion, there is no official atheistic position on the meaning of life, just as there is no atheistic consensus on the best kind of ice cream.
Atheist beliefs just make a person selfish!
Some of us are selfish, and some of us are not. Sure, we get to sleep in on Sunday mornings, but just because we don’t want to spend our time praying to an invisible man in the sky, doesn’t mean there’s something inherently wrong with us. And moreover, what is more selfish: following a moral code and taking responsibility of all your actions, or justifying your wrong deeds just to score enough brownie points in the eyes of God?
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RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
December 4, 2016 at 5:33 pm
Mariosep makes every post like he's starting a new conversation. Maybe that's because he ignores everything everyone says and is just talking to himself.
“Love is the only bow on Life’s dark cloud. It is the morning and the evening star. It shines upon the babe, and sheds its radiance on the quiet tomb. It is the mother of art, inspirer of poet, patriot and philosopher.
It is the air and light of every heart – builder of every home, kindler of every fire on every hearth. It was the first to dream of immortality. It fills the world with melody – for music is the voice of love.
Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll
RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
December 4, 2016 at 5:50 pm
Have to say this is a first. A coffee shop with imaginary coffee.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
December 4, 2016 at 6:00 pm
(December 4, 2016 at 9:11 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Mario I understood all of the words you wrote individually, but the order in which you put them made no sense at all. If you can sum up what you are saying in a pithy sentence or two that would be easier to understand than the complete drivel you present.
To be clear I cant refute what you wrote because there seems to be nothing of substance to refute, just a random collection of words
RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
December 4, 2016 at 6:11 pm
(December 4, 2016 at 5:05 pm)Mariosep Wrote: I say, dear modern atheists, thank you: you and I are in unison that the universe has a beginning, and I tell you that everything with a beginning is created and operated by God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
And your evidence for this is "people have noses." And you think that's a slam-dunk case.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
December 4, 2016 at 8:45 pm
Progress? Maybe not. Perhaps Mariosep is just less manic at the moment because he went to Sunday church services and has expended most of his energy there.
Upon reviewing the thread, I am increasingly of the opinion that we are dealing with someone who is seriously mentally ill. This incessant posting may be a form of religious scrupulosity, an OCD variant that Mariosep is using to quell his own terror of hellfire. Perhaps he's made a bargain with his invisible friend that if he converts just one atheist, he himself will not be thrown on the barbecue and reduced to sentient, immortal chicharrón.
The noises you hear when Mariosep posts are the bleating of a scared and confused sheep. He calls atheists hateful for daring to question his beliefs, but is too fucking scared to question his god for doing things that are infinitely more hateful and infinitely more evil than anything we could possibly do.
He may never come to understand how badly he's lost here. I don't think he's capable of understanding, at least not at the moment. It will probably take nothing less than the catastrophic, total and irreversible loss of his faith to shake him off the hamster wheel he's tied himself to.
RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
December 4, 2016 at 9:09 pm
Thanks, all ye who just came in to my coffee-shop.
For you guys who have not read my latest proof for the existence of God, see ANNEX below.
For the rest of old-timers here, please take up with the beginning of the universe as professed by the modern atheists of radicalatheist.com.
I have just found out that them and me we concur on God existing in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
Because them theists at radicalatheist.com, they also know that the universe has a beginning, as also I have been telling you guys from time immemorial here.
Happy thinking, and please no more raving mad foul language and insults on my person, and on God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
See you guys again tomorrow in the coffeep-shop of yours truly, courtesy of the founders and owners and operators of atheistforums.org.
All hail to them!
ANNEX
In post #1017 on 2nd December 2016, 04:03 to 04:17 Mariosep Wrote: RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
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Okay, dear atheist colleagues here, let us go together into my proof for God existing, so that you will already stop with complaining that I have not proven God exists.
But you see, the trouble in talking with atheists is that you atheists don't care to first work with me together on the meanings of words used, like for example, what is evidence.
Anyway, here goes.
My proof is essentially founded on the evidence in the default status of things in the totality of reality which is existence.
1. In the totality of reality which is existence we you and I know about babies, and the nose in our face.
2. Babies and nose in our face do not create themselves.
3. So they need a creator to bring them to the default status of things in the totality of reality which is existence.
4. As they babies and nose do exist in the totality of reality which is existence, it follows that a creator first and ultimately created them.
5. There, babies and nose are two instances of evidence for the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
6. That is the proof from evidence for God existing, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
So, you do comprehend with the above steps Nos. 1 to 6, that I have proven the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
So, let us all dear readers here sit back and await with bated breath for the comments of atheists on my proof for God existing.
And please, dear atheists, no more complaining that I have not proven God exists, first and foremost in concept as the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
