I noticed that theist take such Grand objectives, that pretty soon their agony get so strong, that trying to "fuck" the minds of other people becomes one of the few joys they have left.

Atlas, if you decided to "fuck" your mind in order to get to heaven, do so if you wish, but could you keep this acidic shit to yourself?

I personally, don't see a point in this voluntary, light "self-inflicted mind torture with the fear of hell". You say "You will go to heaven! If you endure!". I say "Fuck this divine business".

I am reading a book right now that details the sexual behavior of chimpanzees. Submission plays a large role in their social lives. If you must be submissive AtlasS33 go right ahead. It is only natural. Myself , I will choose a different object of veneration.

Christianity is about 2,000 years old, and islam is younger than that. How exactly is islam an ancient religion?

I'll consider your proposal over a bacon bap and beer. Though surrender isn't something my family is known for...

LostLocke

All Gods in the hindu religion are a different representation of the same deity; Brahmin, Krishna. Just like "Jesus"; who is some sort of human form his dad.
It gotta ring a bell; I mean Satan has his way in forging religion; it's always the same tactic:

1-Take the attributes of the single, one God.
2-Seperate them, so each attribute is a seperate God; but all attributes are the same entity. Welcome to Christianity, Greek mythology, Hinduism...etc.

The Quran is the last holy book sent down from the one God, to define the above sin of separating the one into many; or "Shirk" in Arabic.
What it means to be heathen, and so did many believed in Shirk.

Tonus

Again; you mistake his service with the service of humans. He is not an invasion force that wants to enslave you; instead think about gravity for example: if you disobey the gravitational force you perish.

Though; if you refuse to study it and accept it; you will be a savage. Even animals know better; cats don't jump from mountains.
So refusing him is refusing a fact. Refusing a fact is known as "denial"; and denial of the cold makes us sick; denial of gravity makes us fall to break our teeth...denying God makes us burn in hell.

Jesster

Hi!

Jormungandr

Many mistake my topics  for preaching. I don't preach; I say what I think is right.

For example, I think Marijuana should be legal. Tobacco is legal even though it gives people all kinds of sicknesses; matter in fact I think it is the biggest scam in modern times. The thing is; I discuss. Talk, tell, testing my faith against the odds keeps my mind fresh, keeps me away from believing the wrong thing too.

Preaching is posting walls of texts that don't even add a value to anybody; it is paying bribes to tribal chives to carry on a certain line of religion; it is what Spanish missionaries did once to the Mayans. 

Personally, I don't care about your faith. Just like I don't care about your fate that much. I know you not. I just transfer what I know. What I care about though is seeing people  live happily, including me, having freedom to choose what they want. Even if their choice was to slice me up for my opinions.

ignoramus

Hi ignoramus!
Merry Christmas to you too! No celebrations here; temperature is also not that cold, but I ate some spicy chicken and drank lemon juice; koolaid is not widespread around here. 

God is close, answering the calls of those who call for him. 

Stimbo

Believing in the truth makes you build; living in denial make you perish. People who refused to learn the truth of nature, got wasted from hunger through the seasons, civilizations that refused to use rifles in warfare ended up going extinct.

Worshiping God though; got twisted to turn into "worshiping the pope" or "worshiping Ali's gang" or "being a part of the Ottoman Harim", it turned from observing the stars and enjoying the sweet taste of food into "licking a religious figurehead's boots"

We benefit a lot from believing in facts. Believing in facts make us work, for a reason.

The west grew; the Ottomans fell; all because of a typewriter; aka a fact.

Astreja

He did communicate with you though; the rotations of night and day, the deserts, the oceans, the stars, humanity, all of these are only few; he displayed his presence and constantly doing so.

The Quran is no more than a mercy. Another way to communicate with us and tell us exactly what the stars, plants, oceans, cosmos, are telling you.

Minimalist

Ah...Saudies..they did make a great big embarrassment or let's say: crime; when they inflicted and reflected their inner hatered against women under the name of Islam.

Summing it all up in a lady behind a tent, that they need her lock to satisfy their sick inferiority complex; and score a male ego that lets them sleep at night.

robvalue

I would've agreed with you; if only:

1-We agreed on the principles of right and wrong -according to the definition of morals-. Worship is a word I would never give up, Rob. I said it before; a programmer knows that this word is literally everything that we are.

go against the laws of the universe and see for yourself. You are born into your skin and bones, subject to the context; you can only change things when means of change are there.

This is A,B,C laws that we learn since day one on this life. 

I call this "slavery" to a higher law. If you want to use another phrase, go ahead. But it's not like I have no morals. 

2-I was a bad person: I don't go against the "common human laws"; I mean I don't kill, I don't steal, I don't even curse that often, I don't insult others, and atop of that I keep it to myself most of the time and for that I became socially weird -to some extent-, but that's fine

No. I have morals. And rule number one is exactly what I said to Jormungandr: I don't preach. Missionaries do that; not me. I don' work for an institution or serve a Turban in Tehran.

About God making this and leaving. Of course he doesn't care for you, he is not a human being. That's why you pray when you want something. It is not a farm. Obeying him is living. Only when we think of him as a human (or an alien life form) we fail to see the big picture. 

To understand what I mean, read this:
http://www.javacoffeebreak.com/faq/faq0084.html 

Or, let's just say he is abstract. He is the perfection that you can see under the right conditions; but you can't actually see him; though he sees you. Is he a system? or (like heathens believe) a regime?

The answer is only found in the monotheistic faiths: God; Allah; The lord.


Life is short. Yes; it is a trial; but not for him; but for us. He is testing the human kind that displayed an error once against the virus called "Satan".
Like shaping metal; we get shaped in this life. If we display an error; if we carry on the virus; then we end up in hell.

(December 24, 2016 at 6:36 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Tonus

Again; you mistake his service with the service of humans. He is not an invasion force that wants to enslave you; instead think about gravity for example: if you disobey the gravitational force you perish.

Though; if you refuse to study it and accept it; you will be a savage. Even animals know better; cats don't jump from mountains.
So refusing him is refusing a fact. Refusing a fact is known as "denial"; and denial of the cold makes us sick; denial of gravity makes us fall to break our teeth...denying God makes us burn in hell.

You said that we surrender with every breath we take. I pointed out how convenient that argument is, and in response you claim that it's possible to deny him. I'm a bit confused here-- do I surrender to god with each breath I take, or am I able to deny him?

Our friend has dropped a metric shit-tonne of unfounded assertions, as usual, but this little nugget is pure gold:

(December 24, 2016 at 6:36 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: He is not an invasion force that wants to enslave you; instead think about gravity for example: if you disobey the gravitational force you perish.

Since nobody in the history of humanity has ever "disobeyed the gravitational force", this is an absurdly nonsensical statement. Physical laws are descriptive, not proscriptive. They are not laws that you can break; there's no interdimensional police force coming to slap a fine on your arse.

I disobeyed gravity and lived. WOW.

(December 24, 2016 at 6:36 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Astreja

He did communicate with you though; the rotations of night and day, the deserts, the oceans, the stars, humanity, all of these are only few; he displayed his presence and constantly doing so.

No, I see no trace whatsoever of your god in those things.  None at all.  Even if there were a god behind those natural phenomena (something I very much doubt), why should we assume that it's your particular god, rather than another one?

(December 24, 2016 at 7:29 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Our friend has dropped a metric shit-tonne of unfounded assertions, as usual, but this little nugget is pure gold:

(December 24, 2016 at 6:36 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: He is not an invasion force that wants to enslave you; instead think about gravity for example: if you disobey the gravitational force you perish.

Since nobody in the history of humanity has ever "disobeyed the gravitational force", this is an absurdly nonsensical statement. Physical laws are descriptive, not proscriptive. They are not laws that you can break; there's no interdimensional police force coming to slap a fine on your arse.

^ this, it's something many don't understand. The laws are merely descriptions of how the universe behaves.