(December 24, 2016 at 8:32 pm)RozKek Wrote:

(December 24, 2016 at 7:29 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Our friend has dropped a metric shit-tonne of unfounded assertions, as usual, but this little nugget is pure gold:


Since nobody in the history of humanity has ever "disobeyed the gravitational force", this is an absurdly nonsensical statement. Physical laws are descriptive, not proscriptive. They are not laws that you can break; there's no interdimensional police force coming to slap a fine on your arse.

^ this, it's something many don't understand. The laws are merely descriptions of how the universe behaves.

If so, then why don't you apply the same to the word "God"; instead of treating it as a reference to a thing?
Still; the universe is a "thing"; God is not a "thing".


ReptilianPeon 

These verses supply an explicit answer; I commented on them too:

Sura 7
( 146 )   I will turn away from My signs those who are arrogant upon the earth without right; and if they should see every sign, they will not believe in it. And if they see the way of consciousness, they will not adopt it as a way; but if they see the way of error, they will adopt it as a way. That is because they have denied Our signs and they were heedless of them.

We can speak about the  arrogance of tribal Africans, who spent decades cutting each others' throats over pride; selling their bretheren to the white man as slaves, and rape and kill and salvage. Tribalism and arrogance destroyed beautiful Africa; and God simply did what is said in sura7:

He turned away the arrogant from his signs. 
Some parts in Africa -which was less tribal and less arrogant- did become Muslim though; Sudan is way better than Haiti, Egypt is better than the Congo.

Non-Muslim racists thought it's about color. But actually; it's about the hearts of the citizens.

Sura 30
( 59 )   Thus does Allah seal the hearts of those who do not know.

Ignorance is a choice. You don't need somebody to tell your brain to look at the stars; nobody is preventing you from observing. When people refuse knowledge and insist on staying ignorant, they get a seal over their hearts.

One example is what I told Stimbo about:

Quote:Believing in the truth makes you build; living in denial make you perish. People who refused to learn the truth of nature, got wasted from hunger through the seasons, civilizations that refused to use rifles in warfare ended up going extinct.

Africans -like the native Americans- did not use rifles against the invasion force because of "pride", and refused to learn how to make gunpowder.
There is also another example that I presented -to Stimbo; too-:

Quote:The west grew; the Ottomans fell; all because of a typewriter; aka a fact.

Sura 47
( 20 )   Those who believe say, "Why has a surah not been sent down? But when a precise surah is revealed and fighting is mentioned therein, you see those in whose hearts is hypocrisy looking at you with a look of one overcome by death. And more appropriate for them [would have been]
( 21 )   Obedience and good words. And when the matter [of fighting] was determined, if they had been true to Allah, it would have been better for them.
( 22 )   So would you perhaps, if you turned away, cause corruption on earth and sever your [ties of] relationship?
( 23 )   Those [who do so] are the ones that Allah has cursed, so He deafened them and blinded their vision.
( 24 )   Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an, or are there locks upon [their] hearts?


The weak hypocrites, who  use power to corrupt, and also refuse to study the Quran as they would do to other books; would also get a seal over their sight and hearing.

How many did I see, who used their weapons, arms, and power to tear their relatives, to corrupt? and then they are ordered to fight for the poor and the sick, they turn away, shaking in their boots, and when you present the Quran to them, they rejected for ...racial reasons maybe? or tribal? or nationalistic. Even though they read hundreds of other books before it; they never give it a break; they never try to actually read it it.

This type of people also get a seal.

There are so many other verses discussing exactly this: why does God send some people astray.

Muhammad loved beauty too. Especially 9 year old beauties.

What does your god say about children skaughtered by war on his name?

What does it say? Does it speak in your head?

What does the Truth™ lord says?

(December 26, 2016 at 1:57 pm)KUSA Wrote: Muhammad loved beauty too. Especially 9 year old beauties.

Worst part is they don't ignore it, they try to justify it.

AtlasS33, do you know one of the main reasons Africans cut each others throats? It's because they wanted to acquire more slaves to give to the Arabs and the Europeans. So the tribes fought each other violently in an effort to acquire more slave.s

The Europeans were not the only racists, as you well know. The caliphate had a massive slave trade. They treated Africans just as the Al-Akhdam (a.k.a. Al-Muhamasheen) of Arabia, the  untouchables, as treated today. The Arabic term, Akhdam, do you know what it means? Please tell us.

You know who Moohamed loves? Underage girls

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(December 26, 2016 at 1:57 pm)KUSA Wrote: Muhammad loved beauty too. Especially 9 year old beauties.

Stole my comment. 

(December 26, 2016 at 1:57 pm)KUSA Wrote: Muhammad loved beauty too. Especially 9 year old beauties.

You trust historical sources that much?
https://historyboots.wordpress.com/2013/...-accuracy/

Quote:It’s not just as simple as avoiding the tell-tale square bulge of an iPhone in one’s apron pocket when portraying an Edwardian maid, not having late Victorian gentlemen sporting aviator sunglasses, or eschewing the use of late twentieth century slang in a nineteenth-century fur trading fort. Let’s get this out of the way straight off: it is impossible to be entirely historically accurate. Full stop. 

I apologize but it is very ignorant of you. Now; I need to ask you in return:
1-Do you have a video tape of Mohammed's peace be upon him wedding?
2-A painting can be sufficient? anything? something physical that I can touch, that proves the accuracy of the age? 

It seems that the users of the 9 years old argument, love to criticize the accuracy of the same historical sources they use in arguments as evidence.
That is...pretty contradictory.

LastPoet

God said in the Quran, that when one wants to kill; they should only kill a killer -soul for a soul-. 

Tactical bombers and nuclear missiles and random bombardment, go against the law above.
I don't get to bomb American children; even if non believing American soldiers killed my own kids; sorry. A soul for a soul; not any soul but the soul of the killer.
I'll be mocked for hours if I was to present a ban on the mass killing machines different militaries use.

So why does God get to be blamed, for the criminal mentality that humans call "the laws of war"?
Muslims threw the Quran -along with this rule- behind their backs, just like Christians did once, and Jews did before them. That's their sin; not God's sin.

ReptileanPeon

That is greed; still if African tribes agreed together to stop "the evil caliphs" and stop selling their brothers and sisters, maybe slavery would've not been the same around.

Europeans are not racist. Europeans are humans. So as Africans, and so as Arabs. Slavery is the utter form of humilation in human law; that's why it is used as a weapon in war, the Romans did so too, the Japanese did so,...etc.

If you want to break somebody, enslave them. That's what African tribes did to each other. 

Arabs are pretty racist against Africans; even today. In Saudi Arabia (right now; in modern time), the black Citizens are referred to as "Khal"; it is a big shame for a native Saudi girl to marry a black citizen.

(December 26, 2016 at 8:58 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: You trust historical sources that much?

Historical sources? You mean information gleaned from ancient writings? I suppose it's fair to say that we shouldn't place too much trust in them, yes.