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RE: Moral Acts
January 12, 2017 at 7:03 pm
(This post was last modified: January 12, 2017 at 7:03 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Your confidence in that claim about morality seems to have evaporated awful quick.
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wouldn't it just be is morality objective?
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-walsh  (January 11, 2017 at 12:48 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:(January 10, 2017 at 8:37 am)chimp3 Wrote: Name one moral act that can not be accomplished without religion. Not owning people as property. Gee, that was easy.
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RE: Moral Acts
January 12, 2017 at 11:50 pm
(This post was last modified: January 12, 2017 at 11:52 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 11, 2017 at 1:31 am)chimp3 Wrote: Unless your definition of human well being is subjective.I would hope that at the point that we're attempting an objective morality based on -anything- my own personal definitions are well below the bar for consideration..as such, their subjectivity is irrelevant. (January 11, 2017 at 1:39 am)robvalue Wrote: Only if you first agree on an objective way of measuring wellbeing. Otherwise, it's a very vague and subjective concept.Agreement isn't required for objectivity. Though, granted, it helps to smooth over conversations about morality, lol.
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 RE: Moral Acts
January 13, 2017 at 12:37 am
(This post was last modified: January 13, 2017 at 12:38 am by robvalue.)
Sure, you can use your own way of measuring wellbeing to set up an objective morality. It's just not the objective morality based on wellbeing, because there isn't one. Different uses and contexts of the word objective.
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January 13, 2017 at 12:43 am
(This post was last modified: January 13, 2017 at 12:44 am by ignoramus.)
I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't waste our time trying call anything objective.
I think the only true objective statements can only be mathematical. Theists are hung up on objectivity. I don't really blame them though. The inerrant word of god, One true god, objective morality, the 10 commandments, etc, no wonder they're confused! And as lighthouse says, we don't call them sheep! Because they came to all these conclusions using their own god given brains! Lol!
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January 13, 2017 at 12:49 am
(This post was last modified: January 13, 2017 at 12:51 am by robvalue.)
Absolutely. Anything that involves any sort of value judgement cannot be objective, by definition.
A lot of theists are uncomfortable with that. They want there to be a correct value judgement. But that's a contradiction. You can want it all you like, it can't happen. The only place we have true objectivity is within our own created abstract systems. Everything else is ultimately speculation and interpretation. I'm thinking of doing a video on this, funnily enough. Feel free to send me a private message.
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