(January 21, 2017 at 11:27 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(January 21, 2017 at 11:25 pm)chimp3 Wrote: So, at puberty you are fully formed and then you stay that way? I wish.

No. Right after you are done being fully formed, your body starts to deteriorate. You literally start "aging" right after you're done growing/through with puberty. There is no plateau in the lifespan of a human.

Temporarily you never stop aging till your dead

Orochi Wrote:Nope it is a big deal i state it's a clump of cells because it is

You do realize you too are just a bunch of cells, right?

(January 21, 2017 at 11:33 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(January 21, 2017 at 11:30 pm)Orochi Wrote: But not everything

Second It's still formation in the first and modification in puberty

But even if we grant your promise those things are still bodily reliant on the mother to survive thus rendering the argument is secondary really

What isn't already there?

What isn't there

---

(January 21, 2017 at 11:34 pm)pool the great Wrote:

Orochi Wrote:Nope it is a big deal i state it's a clump of cells because it is

You do realize you too are just a bunch of cells, right?

But there is a massive difference

(January 21, 2017 at 11:34 pm)pool the great Wrote:

Orochi Wrote:Nope it is a big deal i state it's a clump of cells because it is

You do realize you too are just a bunch of cells, right?

So is my fingernail. Is that a person?

(January 21, 2017 at 11:34 pm)pool the great Wrote:

Orochi Wrote:Nope it is a big deal i state it's a clump of cells because it is

You do realize you too are just a bunch of cells, right?

You and an ant are a mass of cells so you believe killing ants is murder?

(January 21, 2017 at 11:37 pm)Jesster Wrote:

(January 21, 2017 at 11:34 pm)pool the great Wrote: You do realize you too are just a bunch of cells, right?

So is my fingernail. Is that a person?

Congratulations, you just contradicted yourself. If everything is just a 'clump of cells' then nothing is a person by your own definition hence why your reasoning that the fetus is just a 'clump of cells' doesn't hold up.

---

(January 21, 2017 at 11:38 pm)Orochi Wrote:

(January 21, 2017 at 11:34 pm)pool the great Wrote: You do realize you too are just a bunch of cells, right?

You and an ant are a mass of cells so you believe killing ants is murder?

(emphasis mine)

Stop doing all the work for me. You just admitted yourself it's "killing" no matter how small the 'chunk of cells' is.

(January 21, 2017 at 11:27 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(January 21, 2017 at 11:25 pm)chimp3 Wrote: So, at puberty you are fully formed and then you stay that way? I wish.

No. Right after you are done being fully formed, your body starts to deteriorate. You literally start "aging" right after you're done growing/through with puberty. There is no plateau in the lifespan of a human.

I am 57 years old! I agree my peak was in my late teens. But your phrase  "fully formed" throws me! What am I looking at in the mirror now? I wish to Mary, Mother of all Creatures, that I was looking at a less developed form!

(January 21, 2017 at 11:44 pm)pool the great Wrote:

(January 21, 2017 at 11:37 pm)Jesster Wrote: So is my fingernail. Is that a person?

Congratulations, you just contradicted yourself. If everything is just a 'clump of cells' then nothing is a person by your own definition hence why your reasoning that the fetus is just a 'clump of cells' doesn't hold up.

Contradicted myself? Oh, you think I'm everyone else arguing with you at the same time.

Read back over what I said about viability. I didn't just stop at "clump of cells". I brought this up to make a wider point, but you're stuck on the single issue.

(January 21, 2017 at 11:44 pm)pool the great Wrote:

(January 21, 2017 at 11:37 pm)Jesster Wrote: So is my fingernail. Is that a person?

Congratulations, you just contradicted yourself. If everything is just a 'clump of cells' then nothing is a person by your own definition hence why your reasoning that the fetus is just a 'clump of cells' doesn't hold up.

---

(January 21, 2017 at 11:38 pm)Orochi Wrote: You and an ant are a mass of cells so you believe killing ants is murder?

Stop doing all the work for me. You just admitted yourself it's "killing" no matter how small the 'chunk of cells' is.

I never said abortion wasn't killing

Just like eating meat is killing but you must believe that to be murder I don't because there is a difference between killing and murder

As for a chunk of cells I already stated the difference

---

(January 21, 2017 at 11:47 pm)Jesster Wrote:

(January 21, 2017 at 11:44 pm)pool the great Wrote: Congratulations, you just contradicted yourself. If everything is just a 'clump of cells' then nothing is a person by your own definition hence why your reasoning that the fetus is just a 'clump of cells' doesn't hold up.

Contradicted myself? Oh, you think I'm everyone else arguing with you at the same time.

Read back over what I said about viability. I didn't just stop at "clump of cells". I brought this up to make a wider point, but you're stuck on the single issue.

Precisely

(January 21, 2017 at 11:47 pm)chimp3 Wrote:

(January 21, 2017 at 11:27 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: No. Right after you are done being fully formed, your body starts to deteriorate. You literally start "aging" right after you're done growing/through with puberty. There is no plateau in the lifespan of a human.

I am 57 years old! I agree my peak was in my late teens. But your phrase  "fully formed" throws me! What am I looking at in the mirror now? I wish to Mary, Mother of all Creatures, that I was looking at a less developed form!

LOL that's bc you're deteriorating. We're growing/developing for the first 20ish years of our lives. After that, we start deteriorating. Thats why our body keeps changing after puberty. Not bc were still "growing" but bc we are deteriorating. I literally learned that in nursing school and I remember being freaked out.