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(June 27, 2011 at 5:53 pm)Epimethean Wrote: But the difference is, whereas "occasional" real scientists push a bum piece of published work, ALL creationists push a bum piece of published work.
Did you even read my post? The fraudulent piece of work was rejected. So that refutes your claim right there. In fact, I am not aware of any fraudulent piece of work making it to the publishing stage in either the Journal of Creation or the Answers Journal. So they actually have better track records than some of the most prestigious secular journals.
(June 27, 2011 at 5:53 pm)Epimethean Wrote: But the difference is, whereas "occasional" real scientists push a bum piece of published work, ALL creationists push a bum piece of published work.
Did you even read my post? The fraudulent piece of work was rejected. So that refutes your claim right there. In fact, I am not aware of any fraudulent piece of work making it to the publishing stage in either the Journal of Creation or the Answers Journal. So they actually have better track records than some of the most prestigious secular journals.
From the wiki (it's also interesting to read the part about their skeezy jab at Dawkins):
The scientific community considers 'creation science' to be pseudoscience which "does not use any scientific reasoning."[85][86] Consequently, scientific and scholarly organizations, including United States National Academy of Sciences, the Paleontological Society, Geological Society of America, Australian Academy of Science, and the Royal Society of Canada have issued statements against the teaching of creationism.[87] As a result, the National Center for Science Education, a science advocacy group, criticize AiG's promotion of non-science.[88][89][90] In direct response to AiG, No Answers in Genesis is a website maintained by members of the Australian Skeptics and retired civil servant John Stear for the purpose of rebutting claims made by AiG.[91] In June 2005, AiG-Australia staff accepted an invitation for an online debate[92] with representatives from the Australian Skeptics in Margo Kingston's section of the Sydney Morning Herald.[93] Also the website talk.origins includes scientific responses to claims made by AiG's authors.[94]
The Louisville Courier-Journal reported, "Cincinnati Zoo and the Creation Museum launched a joint promotional deal last week to draw attention to their holiday attractions."[7] But following an outcry of criticism, the zoo ended the relationship after two days.
June 28, 2011 at 9:11 am (This post was last modified: June 28, 2011 at 9:12 am by Epimethean.)
Actually, yeah. I'm trying to get myself moving on an pedagogy article I want to write, but, whereas the method and lesson it reveals are interesting, getting writing on it reminds me too much of the masters theses I have written.
lol, people and their prayers. Imma top you OP. My wife and I about a year ago decided to help her father move to Kentucky (to be closer to his grandchildren). We footed the bill for his move, shacked him up in our house, no bills, no nothing. I even became the de facto caretaker for his constantly ill (but not really) wife. Every night he would insist on saying grace. Thanking god in short order for his grandchildren, the roof over his head, the food on the table, and the continued existence of his wife. Not once.....not once, did he ever suggest that we join our hands and thank either myself, or my wife, for providing him with those things, or caring for his wife while he went out looking for work. My daughter ended the whole dinnertime prayer one wonderful evening, when she was hungry, and he was taking his time, laboriously thanking god for every little thing. He says to her, "Honey we have to say grace before we eat"..to which my little pearl replied "grace, godamnit" and stuffed her mouth with potatoes.
So, how does my family pray? My daughter has that handled and its great for generating unintentional comedy.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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lol, people and their prayers. Imma top you OP. My wife and I about a year ago decided to help her father move to Kentucky (to be closer to his grandchildren). We footed the bill for his move, shacked him up in our house, no bills, no nothing. I even became the de facto caretaker for his constantly ill (but not really) wife. Every night he would insist on saying grace. Thanking god in short order for his grandchildren, the roof over his head, the food on the table, and the continued existence of his wife. Not once.....not once, did he ever suggest that we join our hands and thank either myself, or my wife, for providing him with those things, or caring for his wife while he went out looking for work. My daughter ended the whole dinnertime prayer one wonderful evening, when she was hungry, and he was taking his time, laboriously thanking god for every little thing. He says to her, "Honey we have to say grace before we eat"..to which my little pearl replied "grace, godamnit" and stuffed her mouth with potatoes.
So, how does my family pray? My daughter has that handled and its great for generating unintentional comedy.
Though my wife and I were wed in a Discordian ceremony three and a half years ago, Discordians find that prayer (especially to Eris) can be dangerous. Mostly Discordians try to avoid her notice, but do honour her by not eating hot dog buns on Fridays. Especially when they are not eating hot dogs at all.
"Be ye not lost amongst Precept of Order." - Book of Uterus, 1:5, "Principia Discordia, or How I Found Goddess and What I Did to Her When I Found Her."
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
June 29, 2011 at 6:06 pm (This post was last modified: June 29, 2011 at 6:08 pm by Statler Waldorf.)
(June 27, 2011 at 9:35 pm)Epimethean Wrote:
From the wiki (it's also interesting to read the part about their skeezy jab at Dawkins):
The scientific community considers 'creation science' to be pseudoscience which "does not use any scientific reasoning."[85][86] Consequently, scientific and scholarly organizations, including United States National Academy of Sciences, the Paleontological Society, Geological Society of America, Australian Academy of Science, and the Royal Society of Canada have issued statements against the teaching of creationism.[87] As a result, the National Center for Science Education, a science advocacy group, criticize AiG's promotion of non-science.[88][89][90] In direct response to AiG, No Answers in Genesis is a website maintained by members of the Australian Skeptics and retired civil servant John Stear for the purpose of rebutting claims made by AiG.[91] In June 2005, AiG-Australia staff accepted an invitation for an online debate[92] with representatives from the Australian Skeptics in Margo Kingston's section of the Sydney Morning Herald.[93] Also the website talk.origins includes scientific responses to claims made by AiG's authors.[94]
The Louisville Courier-Journal reported, "Cincinnati Zoo and the Creation Museum launched a joint promotional deal last week to draw attention to their holiday attractions."[7] But following an outcry of criticism, the zoo ended the relationship after two days.
What! Newton, Bacon, Kepler, Boyle, Joule, Pasteur, Pascal, Galileo, Kircher, Linneaus, Dalton, Owen, Mendel, Fabre, Flemming, Carver, Ramsey, and Von Braun are all not real scientists!!? I guess being a "pseudo" scientists is a good thing.
I guess if you can't refute their arguments and scientific evidence, just pretend they are not allowed to even present their ideas huh?
Not at all, but then, as we have discussed elsewhere, and as even Dawkins has admitted, science had many of its roots in religion, and back when the one was slowly drawing itself as distinct from the other, many men of science were raised with religion and held onto it as a sort of social grace. Certainly, today, scientists need not appeal to the great goblin in the sky for people to take their work seriously, and had those men and women been born today, it is very likely that a large number of them would either have abjured religion as a whole, or kept it a quiet affair, as appeal to it would only lessen their work's importance.
