I've learned that most conservatives will claim to care about people--but they really don't. They only care about themselves. It's the only thing they care about--except money, and they care about that too. So long as they've got theirs, it doesn't matter who else suffers. This is obvious from the way they are against gay marriage, against universal health care, against public education... the list goes on and on and on.

If it were you and your family in their positions... I wonder what you'd do. Would you be a good law abiding citizen and wait 10-15 years to hear back, all while you're struggling to feed your family? If you would, then I have to question how much of a 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps' type of person you really are.

The wall is an idiotic idea that is supported by nothing more than a bunch of overgrown man-childs. A wall isn't going to reduce illegal immigration. It's going to be a costly effort that will be paid for by American citizens. And then even when it's finished, there's going to be maintenance on the wall which will also be costly. This is ignoring already the environmental issues, the issues of land rights, etc... And on top of it all, it's not going to accomplish anything. It's nothing more than a symbol for xenophobes to rally around. "“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" I guess that doesn't apply anymore. Maybe we should give the statue of Liberty back to the French.

Apparently we have all the money you could ever hope for to start wars and build walls. But education? health care? Get out of here! We've got walls to build.

(January 26, 2017 at 6:39 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(January 26, 2017 at 6:37 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: Not an excuse.

You're right.  They can fucking starve, amirite?

I didn't say that. Are you suggesting that your country should just open its borders completely and take in everyone?

(January 26, 2017 at 5:41 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Or get shot by criminal gangs in El Salvador who want your kid to be a hooker for them.  Sure.  She can wait 10-15 years.

It would be cheaper and better if we just invaded those places and got rid of their problems, then the people wouldn't need to leave.

Quote:I didn't say that.

You didn't have to.  It's implied.

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(January 26, 2017 at 6:55 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(January 26, 2017 at 5:41 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Or get shot by criminal gangs in El Salvador who want your kid to be a hooker for them.  Sure.  She can wait 10-15 years.

It would be cheaper and better if we just invaded those places and got rid of their problems, then the people wouldn't need to leave.

Yeah, cuz we have such a great fucking record at that sort of thing, don't we?

(January 26, 2017 at 6:39 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(January 26, 2017 at 6:37 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: Not an excuse.

You're right. They can fucking starve, amirite?

They can always eat each other.

So they're going to raise the price of everything from Mexico by 20%. Yeah, I can't see that revenue stream drying up. What an asshole.

(January 26, 2017 at 6:53 pm)Bella Morte Wrote:

(January 26, 2017 at 6:39 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: You're right.  They can fucking starve, amirite?

I didn't say that. Are you suggesting that your country should just open its borders completely and take in everyone?

You virtually to say it just with nicer language

(January 26, 2017 at 6:55 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:I didn't say that.

You didn't have to.  It's implied.

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(January 26, 2017 at 6:55 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: It would be cheaper and better if we just invaded those places and got rid of their problems, then the people wouldn't need to leave.

Yeah, cuz we have such a great fucking record at that sort of thing, don't we?

So we can take better care of them than they can take care of themselves? What's in it for us?

(January 26, 2017 at 6:57 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(January 26, 2017 at 6:39 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: You're right.  They can fucking starve, amirite?

They can always eat each other.

Oh yeah that's just what Mexico needs Cannibals

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(January 26, 2017 at 7:01 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(January 26, 2017 at 6:55 pm)Minimalist Wrote: You didn't have to.  It's implied.

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Yeah, cuz we have such a great fucking record at that sort of thing, don't we?

So we can take better care of them than they can  take care of themselves?  What's in it for us?

I really hope this is  sarcasm

(January 26, 2017 at 6:58 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: So they're going to raise the price of everything from Mexico by 20%. Yeah, I can't see that revenue stream drying up. What an asshole.

That's the idea. Their money has already taken a nosedive. If they won't pay then they will suffer the consequences.