Quote:Looking to the bible for accurate scientific knowledge is like turning to say Ken Ham or Fred Phelps to explain quantum physics and molecular biology.

Or Waldork, Pad!

(July 9, 2011 at 12:32 pm)Rhythm Wrote: But how could so many people be wrong?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Camping

more generally

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_hysteria

(notice the amount of links)

I like this part

CharacteristicsMass hysteria typically begins when an individual becomes ill or hysterical during a period of stress

Sightings of religious miracles are often attributed to mass hysteria.

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(July 9, 2011 at 7:25 pm)padraic Wrote:

(July 9, 2011 at 12:21 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:The Bible has some truth and facts, for most of the people of this world have been mainly religious for 5000 years.

That's a non sequitur. People believe lots of stupid shit. Doesn't make it "factual."

Indeed,argument ad populum, or 'argument by consensus" a basic logical fallacy beloved of theist apologists of all stripes.

There is not now nor has there ever been any kind of debate between the bible and science.


Science is evidence based and does not claim absolutes.

Religion is faith based, laying claim to many absolutes in the form of immutable dogma. The Torah is the mythology of an insignificant tribe of bronze age goat herders.The new Testament is unoriginal mythology of a man who may or may not have existed.

Looking to the bible for accurate scientific knowledge is like turning to say Ken Ham or Fred Phelps to explain quantum physics and molecular biology.

i would not go as far as Fred Phelps, one of the most hated man in America

Castle, your posts are REALLY difficult to follow. They don't seem to go anywhere, or to have a point, or even to express an opinion.

Also, your post made some very wrong statements: christopher colombus didn't prove the Earth wasn't flat, a greek mathematician did 2000 years before him. In Colombus' time, most knew the Earth was round

Castle, your point makes as much sense as asking a goat herder that lived about 4000 years ago how a coffee machine works.
You ask why so many people can be wrong? Well, the answer is simple; they are stupid and ignorant and use a useless text written by those equally superstitious and ignorant herders.

Of course the Bible is true chaps. "it says soooooo, DUH" People are so dull sometimes.I blame all their "science" and "evidence"

*still wondering what the point of this thread is

(July 10, 2011 at 4:13 am)Rwandrall Wrote: Castle, your posts are REALLY difficult to follow. They don't seem to go anywhere, or to have a point, or even to express an opinion.

Also, your post made some very wrong statements: christopher colombus didn't prove the Earth wasn't flat, a greek mathematician did 2000 years before him. In Colombus' time, most knew the Earth was round

You mean I should select a one sided opinion, when I find a higher degree of truth somewhere in the middle ground of all this, Being an artist my whole life, I do well enough expressing myself as I see the whole world as my family.

I studied Culumbus well, because I built a pirate museum display in Florida and Columbus was the first pirate display at the entrance. The higher educated people pretty much knew the world was round,The Flat-Earth Bible led most people living in Europe to believe he world was flat, because they believe everything word in the bible was true, for example...

GOD'S FLAT EARTH
Genesis 7:20 (KJV)
Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
[NOTE: Does this mean that the mountains were less than about 25 feet high?]

Isaiah 11:12 (NIV)
[God] will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth.

Isaiah 40:22
He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.

Job 28:24
... for he views the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens.

Job 26:7
He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing. GOD'S FLAT EARTH - Job 37:3
He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth.

Jeremiah 10:13 (NIV)
When [God] thunders, the waters in the heavens roar; he makes clouds rise from the ends of the earth. He sends lightning with the rain and brings out the wind from his storehouses.

Psalm 19:4 (NIV)
Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world

Revelation 7:1
After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree.

Luke 4:5 (NIV)
The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world.

Revelation 20:7-8
when the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth —

Genesis 7:11-12 (KJV}
In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
more

Isaiah 24:1 - Job 9:5-8- Daniel 4:11- Ecclesiastes 1:7 Matthew 4:8 (NIV)

Revelation 1:7Chronicles 16:30- Psalm 75:3 Psalm 77:18- Psalm 82:5 Psalm 93:1- Psalm 96:10 Psalm 104:5 Ecclesiastes 1:4 Job 9:6 Isaiah 45:18 Genesis 1:7-8 (KJV- Genesis 1:14 ( - Job 26:11 - Matthew 24:29 (NIV) Genesis 1:16 Psalm 19:6 - Joshua 10:13Jeremiah 31:37

It goes on and on

And so do you.

(July 10, 2011 at 6:30 am)thebigfudge Wrote: Of course the Bible is true chaps. "it says soooooo, DUH" People are so dull sometimes.I blame all their "science" and "evidence"

BAD SCIENCE, BAD!!!

A voice from GOD
Kill your OWN SON

Sure God, gee your the best

(July 10, 2011 at 10:10 am)Castle Wrote:

(July 10, 2011 at 4:13 am)Rwandrall Wrote: Castle, your posts are REALLY difficult to follow. They don't seem to go anywhere, or to have a point, or even to express an opinion.

Also, your post made some very wrong statements: christopher colombus didn't prove the Earth wasn't flat, a greek mathematician did 2000 years before him. In Colombus' time, most knew the Earth was round

You mean I should select a one sided opinion, when I find a higher degree of truth somewhere in the middle ground of all this, Being an artist my whole life, I do well enough expressing myself as I see the whole world as my family.

I studied Culumbus well, because I built a pirate museum display in Florida and Columbus was the first pirate display at the entrance. The higher educated people pretty much knew the world was round,The Flat-Earth Bible led most people living in Europe to believe he world was flat, because they believe everything word in the bible was true, for example...

GOD'S FLAT EARTH
Genesis 7:20 (KJV)
Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
[NOTE: Does this mean that the mountains were less than about 25 feet high?]

Isaiah 11:12 (NIV)
[God] will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth.

Isaiah 40:22
He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.

Job 28:24
... for he views the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens.

Job 26:7
He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing. GOD'S FLAT EARTH - Job 37:3
He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth.

Jeremiah 10:13 (NIV)
When [God] thunders, the waters in the heavens roar; he makes clouds rise from the ends of the earth. He sends lightning with the rain and brings out the wind from his storehouses.

Psalm 19:4 (NIV)
Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world

Revelation 7:1
After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree.

Luke 4:5 (NIV)
The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world.

Revelation 20:7-8
when the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth —

Genesis 7:11-12 (KJV}
In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
more

Isaiah 24:1 - Job 9:5-8- Daniel 4:11- Ecclesiastes 1:7 Matthew 4:8 (NIV)

Revelation 1:7Chronicles 16:30- Psalm 75:3 Psalm 77:18- Psalm 82:5 Psalm 93:1- Psalm 96:10 Psalm 104:5 Ecclesiastes 1:4 Job 9:6 Isaiah 45:18 Genesis 1:7-8 (KJV- Genesis 1:14 ( - Job 26:11 - Matthew 24:29 (NIV) Genesis 1:16 Psalm 19:6 - Joshua 10:13Jeremiah 31:37

It goes on and on

What is the point in this post ?
are you arguing that the world is neither spherical nor flat its somewhere in the middle ?