My views on Star Wars haven't changed at all. I saw the first of the films when I was about 10, and I'm still of the opinion that they are ripping good entertainment for 10 year olds.

Boru

The original Star Wars trilogy was as much a redemption story as it was a hero's journey. You can't have redemption without someone to redeem. Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker fits the bill perfectly. The message is not that mass murder/genocide is ok, but that people who do bad things can be redeemed. When you add in that Anakin was seduced (helped along by his fear for Padme) by the dark side and did not seek it out, the redemption becomes more plausible.

In the end, it's fiction. Quite enjoyable fiction at that. And, like the buy-bull, you can pull just about any message you want from it. I'd recommend them as a good way to kill 6 hours (or more if you include the prequels and follow up stories). Nothing more, nothing less.

(May 6, 2017 at 8:09 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: The original Star Wars trilogy was as much a redemption story as it was a hero's journey. You can't have redemption without someone to redeem. Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker fits the bill perfectly. The message is not that mass murder/genocide is ok, but that people who do bad things can be redeemed. When you add in that Anakin was seduced (helped along by his fear for Padme) by the dark side and did not seek it out, the redemption becomes more plausible.

In the end, it's fiction. Quite enjoyable fiction at that. And, like the buy-bull, you can pull just about any message you want from it. I'd recommend them as a good way to kill 6 hours (or more if you include the prequels and follow up stories). Nothing more, nothing less.

(May 7, 2017 at 7:00 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(May 6, 2017 at 8:09 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: The original Star Wars trilogy was as much a redemption story as it was a hero's journey. You can't have redemption without someone to redeem. Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker fits the bill perfectly. The message is not that mass murder/genocide is ok, but that people who do bad things can be redeemed. When you add in that Anakin was seduced (helped along by his fear for Padme) by the dark side and did not seek it out, the redemption becomes more plausible.

In the end, it's fiction. Quite enjoyable fiction at that. And, like the buy-bull, you can pull just about any message you want from it. I'd recommend them as a good way to kill 6 hours (or more if you include the prequels and follow up stories). Nothing more, nothing less.

You laugh, but some people treat Star Wars and Star Trek as sacred and some get ass pissed as someone defending a religion, maybe not violent no, but verbally pissed yes. And I really wouldn't assume mere legend cant go on to become a religion, Hubbard a si fi writer started Scientology.

I love noose smily, HA HA!

(May 7, 2017 at 7:06 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(May 7, 2017 at 7:00 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

You laugh, but some people treat Star Wars and Star Trek as sacred and some get ass pissed as someone defending a religion, maybe not violent no, but verbally pissed yes. And I really wouldn't assume mere legend cant go on to become a religion, Hubbard a si fi writer started Scientology.

I love noose smily, HA HA!

That's why I laugh. 

And thanks, had a friend make the "angry mob" smiley for me.

(May 7, 2017 at 8:54 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(May 7, 2017 at 7:06 am)Brian37 Wrote: You laugh, but some people treat Star Wars and Star Trek as sacred and some get ass pissed as someone defending a religion, maybe not violent no, but verbally pissed yes. And I really wouldn't assume mere legend cant go on to become a religion, Hubbard a si fi writer started Scientology.

I love noose smily, HA HA!

That's why I laugh. 

And thanks, had a friend make the "angry mob" smiley for me.

Again, that smiley is just laughably wrong, South Park and Dave Shapel wrong. Brian from Family Guy wanting to boink the wife wrong. 

One of the parts that really made me cringe from Return of the Jedi was when Luke told Leia she was his sister and she replied, "I know. Somehow, I've always known."

Then why the hell did you snog him in Empire, you silly cow??

(May 7, 2017 at 11:38 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: One of the parts that really made me cringe from Return of the Jedi was when Luke told Leia she was his sister and she replied, "I know.  Somehow, I've always known."

Then why the hell did you snog him in Empire, you silly cow??

I mentioned that. Darth was the biggest "What the fuck were you thinking" plot hole in the series, but yea. Liea does kiss him in Empire, and you look back at that and say, "No sorry guys, but that is beyond a jump cut, that is the stuff of adds in the back of Penthouse magazine"

Again, still love the original three. But those to script motifs really make me pause. 

Genocide and incest? Didn't the bible already cover that?

(May 7, 2017 at 11:38 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: One of the parts that really made me cringe from Return of the Jedi was when Luke told Leia she was his sister and she replied, "I know.  Somehow, I've always known."

Then why the hell did you snog him in Empire, you silly cow??

For the benefit of the audience in that scene, of course. Prince Bitch.

(May 8, 2017 at 1:52 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(May 7, 2017 at 11:38 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: One of the parts that really made me cringe from Return of the Jedi was when Luke told Leia she was his sister and she replied, "I know.  Somehow, I've always known."

Then why the hell did you snog him in Empire, you silly cow??

I mentioned that. Darth was the biggest "What the fuck were you thinking" plot hole in the series, but yea. Liea does kiss him in Empire, and you look back at that and say, "No sorry guys, but that is beyond a jump cut, that is the stuff of adds in the back of Penthouse magazine"

Vivid's porn parody handled them with superb irony. When Vader wants to interrogate Leia with his, er, probe, she says that her father would kill her. To which he replies that he knows her father, who's had tons of tail.

Later, after the Death Star is destroyed and Luke and Han are about to celebrate with Leia, Luke remarks that all his experience has been with his Aunt Beru; so Leia offers to show him what it's like to be with someone to whom he isn't related...