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RE: 19 dead, 50 injured, after terror attack
May 24, 2017 at 6:43 pm
(May 24, 2017 at 6:33 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: (May 24, 2017 at 6:29 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Most are aware of the crusades, not so much the Ustase and the church.
Yeah, it's interesting and I'm sure to read about it. But my point is that what happened in the crusades is totally irrelevant to Christianity and how it relates to terrorism today, because the morality of the world was so different back then. So bringing up the crusades is pointless and irking. You can reply to it and defend bringing up the crusades in order to defend Islamic terrorism, or you can change the topic and concede the point that bringing up the crusades every time Muslim shitballs today do something (and terrorism in the west is the least of it, considering there are hundreds of thousands of dead in Syria.) is stupid.
There are actually good examples of Christian terrorism that happens today, but it happens in Africa, so nobody talks about it.
Not going to concede anything, both had what were/are considered hero martyrs for carrying out religious atrocities. That was the original point, not the status of the world today. I have not defended any terrorism and have to question your reading comprehension.
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RE: 19 dead, 50 injured, after terror attack
May 24, 2017 at 7:55 pm
(May 24, 2017 at 4:45 pm)Shell B Wrote: (May 24, 2017 at 3:07 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Animals like tigers are known to kill systematically; even if a need like hunger didn't exist.
I'm not sure about tigers, but I believe you. Dolphins do it, and I'm sure lots of other animals do too. I never said other animals are peaceful. Quite the opposite. Remove consciousness and all what is left is pure instinct.
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It was a good read; though 
Quote:I'm not sure I agree with that. I only have my own experience to go off of, but I think I'd need to see good studies before I'd believe that. Both of those things happened to me and I commit neither act.
I believe the brain gets refreshed daily, neurons connect creating new paths based on our experience. When all the experience is full of pain, the brain becomes wired based on the experience. Irritability and depression just show with every signal the brain makes.
I'm sorry because you had to go through that.
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RE: 19 dead, 50 injured, after terror attack
May 24, 2017 at 8:45 pm
(May 24, 2017 at 6:31 pm)Aroura Wrote: It's really scary, and undeniably horrible. What do we propose as a solution?
Stop importing them.
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RE: 19 dead, 50 injured, after terror attack
May 24, 2017 at 8:49 pm
I thought he was born in Britain?
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RE: 19 dead, 50 injured, after terror attack
May 24, 2017 at 8:55 pm
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(May 24, 2017 at 8:45 pm)alpha male Wrote: (May 24, 2017 at 6:31 pm)Aroura Wrote: It's really scary, and undeniably horrible. What do we propose as a solution?
Stop importing them.
Most of them are born where they kill, now. Including this most recent one. He was born and raised in Manchester
Blame Radical Islam, it is a problem, but immigrants are not. Between 1975 and 2015, 20 out of 3.25 million refugees welcomed to the United States have been convicted of attempting or committing terrorism on U.S. soil, and only three Americans have been killed in attacks committed by refugees—all by Cuban refugees in the 1970s.
I'm sure Jesus would be proud of you denying help to millions of innocent men, women and children, instead of you know, trying to solve the problem and help people at the same time. It's just what he would have done. 
(May 24, 2017 at 8:49 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I thought he was born in Britain?
But dude, he was muslim AND brown; they stay foreign immigrants forever.
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RE: 19 dead, 50 injured, after terror attack
May 24, 2017 at 8:57 pm
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(May 24, 2017 at 8:45 pm)alpha male Wrote: Stop importing them.
Riiight... Just like after all the school shootings, Americans stopped indiscriminately selling guns to every nut-job? 
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RE: 19 dead, 50 injured, after terror attack
May 24, 2017 at 9:02 pm
(May 24, 2017 at 8:49 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I thought he was born in Britain?
I believe he is talking about Europe as a whole, not just the United Kingdom.
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RE: 19 dead, 50 injured, after terror attack
May 24, 2017 at 10:21 pm
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(May 24, 2017 at 9:02 pm)Isis Wrote: (May 24, 2017 at 8:49 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I thought he was born in Britain?
I believe he is talking about Europe as a whole, not just the United Kingdom. And how many of the european attacks in the last few years were committed by refugees or 1st generation immigrants? I actually can't find a solid statistic that is very up to date, but you seem to know, so I'd appreciate it if you share that info.
Updated to add, I've so far found that exactly 0 refugees in America have committed acts of terror, and 4 refugees in Europe. In the last 30 years.
It appears that the danger is largely from existing citizens being recruited to join radical Islamic groups. Refusing aid to refugees will help that, how?
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RE: 19 dead, 50 injured, after terror attack
May 25, 2017 at 4:49 am
(May 24, 2017 at 8:55 pm)Aroura Wrote: (May 24, 2017 at 8:45 pm)alpha male Wrote: Stop importing them.
Most of them are born where they kill, now. Including this most recent one. He was born and raised in Manchester
Blame Radical Islam, it is a problem, but immigrants are not. Between 1975 and 2015, 20 out of 3.25 million refugees welcomed to the United States have been convicted of attempting or committing terrorism on U.S. soil, and only three Americans have been killed in attacks committed by refugees—all by Cuban refugees in the 1970s.
I'm sure Jesus would be proud of you denying help to millions of innocent men, women and children, instead of you know, trying to solve the problem and help people at the same time. It's just what he would have done.
(May 24, 2017 at 8:49 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I thought he was born in Britain?
But dude, he was muslim AND brown; they stay foreign immigrants forever.
A lot of them do remain sympathetic to people of the same religion as themselves even when it comes to justifying or even celebrating the deaths of children.
The Pakistani I work with who's 3rd or 2nd generation immigrant, he's really western and as he said he believes the children deserved to die. And he told me he personally knows a lot of people who will be celebrating those deaths.
I don't think anyone sees it as being as simple as an issue of skin colour, it's Muslims. It's not Hindus or silhks or middle eastern Christians.
I'd love to think it's just me being unlucky and the first Muslim I spoke to about this bombing is a bit of a dickhead but I don't know.
Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.
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RE: 19 dead, 50 injured, after terror attack
May 25, 2017 at 5:09 am
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(May 25, 2017 at 4:49 am)paulpablo Wrote: (May 24, 2017 at 8:55 pm)Aroura Wrote: Most of them are born where they kill, now. Including this most recent one. He was born and raised in Manchester
Blame Radical Islam, it is a problem, but immigrants are not. Between 1975 and 2015, 20 out of 3.25 million refugees welcomed to the United States have been convicted of attempting or committing terrorism on U.S. soil, and only three Americans have been killed in attacks committed by refugees—all by Cuban refugees in the 1970s.
I'm sure Jesus would be proud of you denying help to millions of innocent men, women and children, instead of you know, trying to solve the problem and help people at the same time. It's just what he would have done.
But dude, he was muslim AND brown; they stay foreign immigrants forever.
A lot of them do remain sympathetic to people of the same religion as themselves even when it comes to justifying or even celebrating the deaths of children.
The Pakistani I work with who's 3rd or 2nd generation immigrant, he's really western and as he said he believes the children deserved to die. And he told me he personally knows a lot of people who will be celebrating those deaths.
I don't think anyone sees it as being as simple as an issue of skin colour, it's Muslims. It's not Hindus or silhks or middle eastern Christians.
I'd love to think it's just me being unlucky and the first Muslim I spoke to about this bombing is a bit of a dickhead but I don't know.
All the Muslims I know would be sickened by this
(May 24, 2017 at 10:21 pm)Aroura Wrote: (May 24, 2017 at 9:02 pm)Isis Wrote: I believe he is talking about Europe as a whole, not just the United Kingdom. And how many of the european attacks in the last few years were committed by refugees or 1st generation immigrants? I actually can't find a solid statistic that is very up to date, but you seem to know, so I'd appreciate it if you share that info.
Updated to add, I've so far found that exactly 0 refugees in America have committed acts of terror, and 4 refugees in Europe. In the last 30 years.
It appears that the danger is largely from existing citizens being recruited to join radical Islamic groups. Refusing aid to refugees will help that, how?
Aura don't bring statistics and math and facts into this .You should be like Alpha and base your opinions on fear and the fact liberals have said mean things to you and the rest of the legion of xenophobes . We should all join Alpha in his bomb shelter and prepare for the horde of brown people descending upon us .
Quote:Stop importing them.
I have a better idea how about America exports you
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