I'm not the least but surprised that you don't.  Just as they weren't moved when 20 children were slaughtered in Connecticut.

It just NEVER seems to be the right time to discuss gun violence with the gun nuts.

(June 14, 2017 at 3:38 pm)wallym Wrote: I remember when Justice Scalia died, and I saw a lot of celebratory 'tweets' from people I wouldn't consider extreme, and that was sort of the writing on the wall, in my mind.

If you believe someone's death is something to be celebrated, "someone should murder them" is a conclusion you can reach pretty easily..  

And the second event of note, in my mind, was the Alt-Right guy getting sucker punched on camera.  And again, the reaction was celebratory.  Which to me says "Violence against people you disagree with is good."  

I expect we're going to see more of this stuff in the near future.  During the primaries, I remember all the explanations how Trump is "Just like" Hitler.  Or sometimes worse than Hitler.  Well, if Trump were worse than Hitler, and elected president...what should be the response to that.  If Republicans are just like Nazi's.  If Democrats are going to strip you of all your freedom and get you killed.  These are caricatures of things people have gone to war over.  

It's good for turning out the vote and selling newspapers/ad time, so it'll never go away.  But I think political violence like this is just getting started.

Well this is how divided America has become. The politics of divide and conquer, of using wedge issues to distract the public from what is really going on, has been used by the Religious Right and the Conservative Republicans for a very long time, since the GOP was took over by the Religious Right, the Dominionists, since the late 1970's and the early 1980s, and very effectively by the way. This is all about nothing more than power and control, and making money in the process. If we all do not wake up and become aware that we are being led by the nose to a theocratic fascist Christian state, then we will lose our democracy and lose all of our freedoms. Hell, how much of our freedoms have we given up already through both technology and the fear of terrorism?

I have been feeling for a long time that we are on the road to another civil war. All of you who are my fellow Americans better had ask yourself one question: will you be safe and secure in defending yourselves when the shit hits the fan? What are we doing now for both ourselves and our people to make sure to either prevent that from happening or to be prepared to face a war time existence in the Homeland?

(June 15, 2017 at 11:02 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(June 15, 2017 at 10:31 am)Shell B Wrote: I read he had a pretty wacky criminal history. Yep. That should have stopped him buying a gun, imo.

But his history wouldn't have stopped a relative or friend with a clean history from buying a gun for him. Or he could just go to a gun show and ignore background checks.

This. At least where I live, those exempt from requiring background checks are person to person gun sales and gun sales at gun shows. Then you also have guns that have been grandfathered into the family. My other half owns three rifles. All of them handed down from his grandfather and his uncle.

(June 14, 2017 at 4:11 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Ha.  Predictable.  All of a sudden this hypocritical fuck wants to tone down the rhetoric.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national...-1.3247535

Quote:Rep. Chris Collins calls for people to 'tone down' rhetoric in baseball shooting aftermath

Quote:Collins, one of President Trump’s most ardent congressional supporters, is known for going hard after Democrats and anti-Trump forces. He's also waged war with Gov. Cuomo, recently saying the governor is a "a thug, he's a bully, he's a blackmailer, and an extortionist…"

"Oh....I didn't mean for you to shoot at US!"

Lousy prick.

Not only that Min, but there was also this....

Quote:Meanwhile, Collins’ colleague, Rep. Leonard Lance (R-NJ), also called for a more respectful national dialogue.  "Today's senseless act of violence is not only an attack on my colleagues but an attack on the Congress of the United States as an institution," Lance said. "We must come together as a country and debate the great issues of public policy in a respectful and thoughtful fashion. Let us all remember that we are one Nation under God."

One nation under god??  Fuck you Lance!  You just excluded me and my people.  This is one nation under the U.S. Constitution you Dominionist piece of shit!

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(June 14, 2017 at 4:33 pm)A Theist Wrote:

(June 14, 2017 at 4:11 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Let's see your collection of Obama the Monkey memes, you two bit phony.

I don't have any, you hypocrite piece of commie shit.

You are a Dominionist piece of shit. Why are you breathing my air?!

(June 15, 2017 at 1:45 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(June 14, 2017 at 11:51 pm)Minimalist Wrote: And then we can do the same thing the next time and the next time and the next time and the next time and the next....................................................

I don't see how taking this opportunity to bash Republicans when Republicans were just murdered for being Republican is going to be at all productive or do any sort of good. Which is precisely what I was seeing most of here when I made that post. Though I haven't read the last several pages, so don't know if the tune has changed since.

Did any of them die? Last I heard, there was no murder–"just" attempted murder. I'm not minimizing. I honestly don't know if the news changed.

I agree that bashing is getting no one anywhere. However, I do think the Republicans in office will have to take some responsibility for the political climate in this country at some point. Eight years of Obama-bashing and then putting Trump in office has obviously triggered some folks. We are going to keep having radicals if we don't do something about the rhetoric. We are going to keep having shootings if we don't do something about gun control. The best way to treat this situation is to use it as an opportunity to fix some things.

(June 15, 2017 at 2:09 pm)Secular Elf Wrote:

Quote:Minimalist Wrote:
Let's see your collection of Obama the Monkey memes, you two bit phony.

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(June 14, 2017 at 4:33 pm)A Theist Wrote: I don't have any, you hypocrite piece of commie shit.

You are a Dominionist piece of shit.  Why are you breathing my air?!

To suffocate your dumbass.

(June 14, 2017 at 5:37 pm)It_Was_me Wrote: It has been frustrating reading comments on social media. People are simply using this event to advance a personal agenda. While I do not condone what happened, I'm really not surprised. People are angry, and there is bound to be someone who is not right in the head who will just snap. People seem to forget all the things Trump has said regarding Hillary Clinton. Didn't he say for the second amendment people to do something about her? Didn't he also say he could walk out onto 5th ave. and shoot someone and people would still support him?

The reality of the situation is this man is seriously ill, in the head. He believes that a solution to a problem is violence. Which is NEVER the case. But I'm sure the right wing pundits are having a field day with this. I can't wait to hear what that piece of shit Michael Savage says about this. Keep in mind, these people were praising those people pointing guns at federal officials during that entire B.L.M. situation that played out a few years ago in NV

Indeed. Trump is not innocent in all this. Though the divisiveness existed before he came along, he only served to deepen it with his own rhetoric. Until he actually comes out and says that he is part of the problem and is sorry for what he has said about a lot of people, to the American people in public, he does not deserve a hearing. But I am not holding my breath. He is a fucking liar, and his head is so far up his ass that a public apology and genuine self-reflection on his part will never happen. I hate him and I do not trust him. Not My President!

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(June 14, 2017 at 6:04 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(June 14, 2017 at 4:52 pm)Aegon Wrote: Because this isn't a random act of violence and we need to have discussions. About why it happened and how to prevent it in the future.

It happened because a bad person has hate for a particular group of people and wanted to make a statement by killing as many of them as he could. Happens quite often, unfortunately, and it's sad to see people using it as opportunity to push their political narrative without even giving like, one day to be a human being about it.

Just out of curiosity Catholic_Lady, do you remind any of your Conservative co-religionists, if you have any Conservative friends, that the Non-Christian and non-Conservative people in this world are human beings? Does it ever come up in your discussions with each other that maybe religious Right Wingers should tone done their rhetoric and use their Christian duty of forgiveness and charity towards the rest of us?

I ask because I am not seeing any of the Christian folk getting onto each other for being promoters of hate.

(June 15, 2017 at 2:21 pm)A Theist Wrote:

(June 15, 2017 at 2:09 pm)Secular Elf Wrote:

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You are a Dominionist piece of shit.  Why are you breathing my air?!

To suffocate your dumbass.

And that is why they were called a piece of shit, because they support a fucking asshole who spent a year selling scapegoating demagoguery and calls for arrest and "2nd Amendment" solutions. 

NO sorry, you don't get to blame others for responding to the vile tone Trump set during his campagin.

So now suffocating those whom offend you is a valid way of making an argument? And you wonder why you get cussed out?

(June 14, 2017 at 8:01 pm)A Theist Wrote:

(June 14, 2017 at 7:32 pm)Nymphadora Wrote: Well before you make an assumption, why not let the courts decide if it was indeed targeting.

Bullshit. There's no question that this leftist shooter was politically motivated in targeting Republicans, given his railings against Trump and Republicans on his Facebook page, plus the fact that he asked a congressman whether those on the ball field were Republicans just prior to his shooting at them.

Yes indeed he was politically motivated. No question. Now here is where it gets more interesting. When members of the Left Wing become radical, it is only because it is in direct relation to the radical positions of the Right Wing. I hate you just as much as you hate me. I am becoming radical because your fucking Conservatives are a threat to me and my people.

Republicunt asswipe who voted against every piece of legislation on Background Checks now wants to know more about the "background" of the guy who shot his buddy.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/6/14/...=emaildkre

Quote:Republican who voted against background checks wants to know background of Scalise's shooter

Fuck you, Brooks.