Member of Congress Among 5 Reportedly Shot at Baseball Field

[henryp]

Let me get this straight.  A disturbing number of otherwise decent people suddenly start to say and do the sorts of things in response to a common issue that disturb you, things you didn't think they would do........and you think that the problem, is with all of them....all at once, all of a sudden?  Just woke up this am, and decided they'd all be dicks, no particular reason.

What do those people keep telling you the problem is?

I don't really think the problem is with all of them.  I think the problem's root is the efficiency of rhetoric.  Between social media, 24 hour news,  a la carte news that reinforces biases, click bait, data driven political messaging, identity politics, social engineering, etc...

What they're telling me, what you're telling me, is exactly what I read on the Huffington Post, or heard a talking head on MSNBC say, or see being passed around Facebook.  There is no mystery where the information comes from.  You see it with Fox News.  You see it with Christians.  Some part of your brain recognizes that they are being manipulated in a way that has them believing stupid shit is true.   But for whatever reason, when it comes to Huffington Post, or an MSNBC panelist, or that Facebook meme being passed around, when it's time to wonder if maybe their are people on the left who might try to copy the highly effective strategies we saw from fox news or religion, you just said "nah"?

And the point is, again, if the system has become that ruthlessly efficient that it's sweeping all these people up, who's left?  But you don't think you're being manipulated, so you're really only relevant to that discussion as an example.

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Have you asked yourself why?

Why I don't know many republicans, or why reasonable people have gotten swept up in the rhetoric.  The answer to both is yes.

[downbeatplumb]

When I saw the Berkeley riots to stop free speech I thought about Hitlers Brownshirts except the liberals wear black

The black shirts would have been Mussolini's fascist paramilitary group. Hitler idolized Mussolini. So, the black that those far left anarchist fascists are wearing who rioted at Berkeley would be fitting.

We also had black shirt fascists in England until it finally became clear that far right ideas were anti British.

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Maybe there are some moderates, and I'm just overlooking them.  Maybe they just keep quiet, because if they tell people like Khemikal that Trump isn't like Hitler in any meaningful way, people like Khem will call them a Nazi sympathizer and socially ostracize them, and it's not worth the hassle?

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Tell us how Trump is not like Hitler.
I can tell you many ways in which he is like Hitler.
So lets see your opposing list, what about him is not fascist?

[The Grand Nudger]

I don't really think the problem is with all of them.  I think the problem's root is the efficiency of rhetoric.  Between social media, 24 hour news,  a la carte news that reinforces biases, click bait, data driven political messaging, identity politics, social engineering, etc...

What they're telling me, what you're telling me, is exactly what I read on the Huffington Post, or heard a talking head on MSNBC say, or see being passed around Facebook.  There is no mystery where the information comes from.  You see it with Fox News.  You see it with Christians.  Some part of your brain recognizes that they are being manipulated in a way that has them believing stupid shit is true.   But for whatever reason, when it comes to Huffington Post, or an MSNBC panelist, or that Facebook meme being passed around, when it's time to wonder if maybe their are people on the left who might try to copy the highly effective strategies we saw from fox news or religion, you just said "nah"?

And the point is, again, if the system has become that ruthlessly efficient that it's sweeping all these people up, who's left?  But you don't think you're being manipulated, so you're really only relevant to that discussion as an example.

What do you think people have been manipulated into thinking was true?  As opposed to what is, ofc, I mean?  Honestly, I think you'd have alot more traction here with simply accepting the trumpster for what he is, and questioning whether a violent response is ever warranted, even in the case of a little hitler.  It would seem less ridiculous than burying your head in the sand -about- what comparisons between the trumpster and his supportersand the reich are accurate.  

Fun fact, did you know that well into the gassings, there were some germans who could still believe that hitler wasn't an anti-semite, he was opposed to a particular -kind- of jew, the bad kind.  No one doubts the efficacy of rhetoric, but common human denial seems to be impervious to it.

[MattB]

When I saw the Berkeley riots to stop free speech I thought about Hitlers Brownshirts except the liberals wear black

First off the rioters were not students, nor did they make up the majority who were PEACEFUL protesters.

Secondly, when we talk about the history of the Nazis and "brown shirts" we are not talking about people who simply show up. Brownshirts were ORGANIZED political gang. So now liberals are a fascist gang?

Yes to me they are every bit as wrong as the Tea Party.


How about no, fuck you, and bullshit.

Yes we DO know how Hitler came to power.

He sold himself as a savior, and the only one who could save the nation.
He sold hyper nationalism.
He vilified political rivals.
He vilified media unless it praised him. 
He scapegoated multiple groups.

Kinda like what Trump has done for the past 5 years and is still doing today.

"Make Germany Great Again"
"Make America Great Again"
"I will defend the fatherland"
"I will defend the Homeland"
"The Jews are to blame"
"The Mexicans and Muslims are to blame"

Both sides are wrong in this crap.

[Amarok]

And most if not all modern Neo Nazi's are right wingers. Fascism is by default a Right Wing position(thou the term left wing fascism exists it's vague at best)  . And Fascist anarchist is a contradiction . Fascism is Authoritarian hierarchical  .Anarchism is the opposite. So your history lesson needs some improvement A sshole