Clear to me at least, once conviction for impeachment became a very believable outcome, Nixon bailed. Clinton, OTOH, was always aware of how the vote was shaping up and concluded (correctly) the 'pubs were over playing their hand and rode it out.

Trump won't follow either tack, IMO, but I am less sure what his strategerie would be.

(July 3, 2017 at 3:44 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Trump  won't follow either tack, IMO, but I am less sure what his strategerie would be.

Trump is capable of reflex.  He is not capable of strategy.  His reflex would be, as always, to bury his repulsive pouting head full of sticky orange hair in a shifting dune field of outrageous tweets.

His handlers from breitbart might conceive themselves to be capable of formulating a strategy to keep him in the whitehouse, but such strategy as they may come up with can be easily defeated by trivially baiting trump to tweet some more.

Trump's coteries of attack dog lawyers are only vicious when they are foolish enough to think trump's office protects them. If they are personally threatened with criminal investigation with potential for jail time, they will scurry away like the cockroaches whose name they besmirch.

So all this comes down to will the GOP vote to impeach trump. If they do, trump is road kill. If not, the country is road kill.

(July 3, 2017 at 3:22 pm)Succubus Wrote: I'm not sure I understand. Half the nation is already disenfranchised. The other half are holding them by the balls. Just think of the trees, and how many of them are soon to be pulped, for soon to be published books, by the I told you so's.
We are about to live in interesting times.

I'm talking as in Jim Crow or "A protestant parliament for a protestant people", i.e. literally denying the right to vote to citizens because of their race, their religion, their educational status and because of their voting patterns. It's already at an advanced stage, with at least 10 million citizens in the 2016 election being denied the right to vote or having their vote thrown out because they marked Clinton.

(July 3, 2017 at 3:44 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Clear to me at least, once conviction for impeachment became a very believable outcome, Nixon bailed.  Clinton, OTOH, was always aware of how the vote was shaping up and concluded (correctly) the 'pubs were over playing their hand and rode it out.

Trump  won't follow either tack, IMO, but I am less sure what his strategerie would be.

Bill Clinton toughed it out mainly because there wasn't a case there. The original plan behind the Republitraitor push for impeachment was to find criminal behaviour behind Whitewater (specifically the more swivel eyed loons thought the Clintons had had Vince Foster murdered), but when that turned out to be a damp squib, Starr pounced on the Lewinsky issue, which was neither a criminal offence nor an impeachable action (even after Bill lied about the affair).

not being a case there = 'pubs over playing their hand, no ?




Only thing untoward outcome-wise was Bill being disbarred.  I'm sure the teeming hordes of lawyers thundering over the plains made up the deficit from losing one of their members.

(July 3, 2017 at 9:56 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: not being a case there = 'pubs over playing their hand, no ?

Nah, what the Republitraitors did with Bill was more akin to playing Knight to f5 check during a high stakes poker game.