Says the man who talks to the ceiling and thinks someone answers.

(July 3, 2017 at 11:09 pm)Magilla Wrote:

(July 3, 2017 at 10:00 pm)Inkfeather132 Wrote: He cannot destroy himself. That's why he is not omnipotent, and that's why the Bible is wrong when it says he can do anything.
It is very easy to look up the definition of omnipotence, but you seem more interested in making up a definition that suits you and then lying about it being the real one. All you are capable of in this discussion is deception it seems, so I'm done. I'm not having a discussion with a liar.

The version of omnipotence that clued-up religious apologists seem to make is that "God" can do anything that is logically possible. But dictionary definitions don't make the distinction of excluding the logically impossible. For example :-

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Omnipotent

adjective 1. almighty or infinite in power, as God.

By excluding the logically impossible, we can exclude an eternal god being able to destroy itself. Also we exclude the scenarios of "God" making a rock so heavy that he can't pick it up, (or as Homer Simpson said: 'Can "God" make a pizza so hot that he can't eat it?') Also making square circles etc. get excluded from the requirements of omnipotence for "God".

But I find the distinction of the exclusion of the logically impossible, from "God's" omnipotence to be disingenuous, when it comes to the Christian version of god. For example :-

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Omnipotent God – What is Omnipotence?

We have an omnipotent God. He has the ability and power to anything (omni=all; potent=powerful). This power is exercised effortlessly. A good example of God’s omnipotence is in the name el shaddai, which means “self-sufficient” or “almighty.” God’s power is unlimited.
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A proper definition is given by Thiessen: “God is all-powerful and able to do whatever he wills. Since his will is limited by his nature, God can do everything that is in harmony with his perfections.”

So "God's" power is unlimited, but also limited. Now that's incoherent. The bit about: 'A proper definition is given by Thiessen . . .' is cute. To me it means that we'll admit that "God" can't do anything and everything that "he" pleases, but for most purposes we'll put this fact in the fine print, (and more often we'll use white text on a white background - ie. invisible from the scrutiny of the minds of the sheeples).

The disingenuity occurs when pastors and priests deliver sermons, or hymns are sung."God" will be given the property of being almighty. A prayer might begin, for example: 'Almighty God ..... etc". So the plebs who hear this will think: ' God can do anything'. But if there is a god, he can't do everything, (everything as disingenuously implied in hymns, prayers and sermons). To be more open and frank, a prayer ought to begin: 'God, who is mighty to the extent of being all powerful, so long as things logically impossible are excluded'.

That'd be a mouthful, so another word should be used, maybe just use the word "mighty", as in: 'Mighty God ..... etc". But the meaning of "mighty should be made clear in sermons. To be frank and honest, hymns should not use the word almighty. "God" is not omnipotent, if omnipotence refers to being almighty, (ALL mighty). So to be frank and honest, the omni in omnipotent, as applied to "God", ain't omni in truth. So we might find it coherent to say that "God" might be classified as mighty, but not almighty, and potent, but not omnipotent.

Of course, I don't have to worry so much, because "God", (<= in quotes like that), means that I don't believe that there is a god, so "he" has no properties to worry about.

Exactly. The way I see it, omnipotence is impossible. Nothing and no one can be all powerful, it creates paradoxes. So when the Bible says that god is omnipotent, it isn't telling the truth. And when Christians come along and say their god is omnipotent they are using the word to mean something that it doesn't. GC (and other Christians) does not believe his god is omnipotent, he believes his god is just more powerful than the rest of us.

My assertion is equal to yours, GC. You should know that basic rule by now.

(July 3, 2017 at 11:09 pm)Magilla Wrote:  'A proper definition is given by Thiessen . . .' is cute.  it means that we'll admit that "God" can't do anything and everything that "he" pleases,

 
 You almost got it right, Christians understand that God can do all He pleases and we understand there are those things God will not do, can't do whatever you want to call it, because it doesn't please Him.
GC

(July 6, 2017 at 1:56 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(July 3, 2017 at 11:09 pm)Magilla Wrote:  'A proper definition is given by Thiessen . . .' is cute.  it means that we'll admit that "God" can't do anything and everything that "he" pleases,

 
 You almost got it right, Christians understand that God can do all He pleases and we understand there are those things God will not do, can't do whatever you want to call it, because it doesn't please Him.
GC

So basically you don't have an answer to Magillas post and I'm guessing have avoided the god/rock thing your entire life.

FSM weeps.

(July 6, 2017 at 2:46 am)Nay_Sayer Wrote:

(July 6, 2017 at 1:56 am)Godscreated Wrote:  
 You almost got it right, Christians understand that God can do all He pleases and we understand there are those things God will not do, can't do whatever you want to call it, because it doesn't please Him.
GC

So basically you don't have an answer to Magillas post and I'm guessing have avoided the god/rock thing your entire life.

FSM weeps.

No, Magillas answered that himself, it's not a logical question, it's outside reality. Exactly why would it please God to make a rock so large He couldn't lift it? Things like this have nothing to do with who God is for mankind and are meaningless to debate, I would tell any Christian the same thing.

GC

(July 6, 2017 at 1:56 am)Godscreated Wrote:  
 You almost got it right, Christians understand that God can do all He pleases and we understand there are those things God will not do, can't do whatever you want to call it, because it doesn't please Him.
GC

So God only does things that please him?

(July 6, 2017 at 1:56 am)Godscreated Wrote:  You almost got it right, Christians understand that God can do all He pleases and we understand there are those things God will not do, can't do whatever you want to call it, because it doesn't please Him.
GC

If it does not please god to stop children from being raped, then that is not a god worthy of worship.

Plain and simple.

(July 6, 2017 at 1:56 am)Godscreated Wrote:  You almost got it right, Christians understand that God can do all He pleases and we understand there are those things God will not do, can't do whatever you want to call it, because it doesn't please Him.
GC

Will not and cannot are NOT synonyms. They have different meanings. Will means you have a desire to do something, can means you have the ability to do something. They can't simply be interchanged whenever you want. Seriously, your butchering of the English language to try and make your points workable was funny at first. But now it's half sad, and half annoying.