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10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
Godscreated Wrote:
Lutrinae Wrote:The burden of proof is on the person making the extraordinary claim.  There is currently zero evidence of god's existence; therefore, to state that god does not exist is merely a reflection of the facts we currently possess.  The extraordinary claim, that god does exist, is the burden of the believer to prove as factual.

He made the claim that there was no God in another thread and it was convenient to bring it up here, also. The burden of a positive claim is of non-existence belongs to Him. I've said many times over the years I've been on this site that I can not prove God's existence to an atheist's  satisfaction. So just stop your little atheist quibbles and except you have the same responsibility you demand of Christians .

Clearly there is no reason for the statement 'God doesn't exist' except as a response to the claim 'God does exist'. 'God doesn't exist' is the null hypothesis that needs to be disproven before acceptance of the hypothesis 'God does exist' can be rationally justified.

Same with Shiva, Yetis, ghosts, deep lake monsters, alien abductions, and so on. The null hypothesis must be disproven before it becomes reasonable to believe the hypothesis that they are real. Anecdotes are not sufficient support for things that can't be otherwise observed to exist. If you say ghosts are real and we say 'nuh uh, prove it!' the ball is in your court. We are perfectly justified in rejecting your claim until you adequately support it. You wouldn't buy 'I know it in my heart' for Krishna as proof that Krishna is real, (else you would believe that Krishna is real and who Krishna is claimed to be, because Krishna believers offer that exact same support for Krishna), so why would you expect it to carry water for us? It only works on people who already agree with you. It's a useless apologetic that Jesus was never recorded as using. I mean seriously, how would Jesus have acted online? According to the Gospels he would demonstrate his love and trustworthiness and not worry about those of us who don't decide to follow him. But evangelists never follow the advice of Jesus on how to win converts. They go with 'indoctrinate kids as young as you can get 'em' and 'preach at people into you're blue in the face'.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
(July 17, 2017 at 12:55 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(July 15, 2017 at 8:30 pm)Inkfeather132 Wrote: Do you believe leprechauns exist? The Loch Ness Monster? Bigfoot? Unicorns? If you don't believe, give me the evidence that they don't exist. If the evidence of god is such that it can't be demonstrated by one person to another, it isn't actually evidence. If the evidence is between you and god, then keep it between you and god. There's no point in you being here.

 It doesn't matter whether I believe in those things or not, I'm neither trying to prove or disprove them and I've said many times that I can not prove God to an atheist's satisfaction. Neither can an atheist disprove God to my satisfaction. There is a huge difference in the two though. I know that God exist and so an atheist could never disprove that which exists regardless of what the atheist thinks. Those who say that God doesn't exist make a positive statement, it then becomes their responsibility to prove the statement they made, it isn't nor ever has been the responsibility of the other person to disprove the statement in any type of argument. Because the atheists can't disprove God they want to move the responsibility of their doubt on the Christian, only in an argument about God does the burden of the atheist's belief become the responsibility of the Christian. I've been here a lot longer than you have and have every right to be here, so just calm down or just quit reading my posts.

You're the only one getting worked up here, maybe you should take your own advice and stop reading my posts? In the post I was responding to, you said I had no proof that god didn't exist. My point about the leprechauns is that you don't need evidence of non-existence to be pretty positive that something doesn't exist. There is no evidence for the existence of leprechauns or unicorns so I am confident in saying that I don't believe they exist. You keep saying that you know god exists, but you provide zero evidence to back up that claim. So until someone can provide evidence of god's existence, I can't believe he exists.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
Godscreated Wrote: It doesn't matter whether I believe in those things or not, I'm neither trying to prove or disprove them and I've said many times that I can not prove God to an atheist's satisfaction.

Bolding mine. This is a very crucial sentence. The main difference between those things and God as far as your apologetics go is that you don't care whether they're real or not. If you did care, and did believe, say in ghosts, what would you do differently to convince us that ghosts are real than you do to convince us that God is real?
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
GC, if you're genuinely hearing voices in your head, I'll tell you what, I can't prove your god doesn't exist, but I can almost certainly prove that you're schizophrenic.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
(July 17, 2017 at 10:25 pm)Astonished Wrote: GC, if you're genuinely hearing voices in your head, I'll tell you what, I can't prove your god doesn't exist, but I can almost certainly prove that you're schizophrenic.

If a person is schizophrenic then the person can tickle himself.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
Not sure I understand if that's supposed to be a joke or reference...
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
(July 17, 2017 at 11:44 pm)Astonished Wrote: Not sure I understand if that's supposed to be a joke or reference...

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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
Oh, that is horseshit. I can tickle my feet easily.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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RE: 10 Questions Biblical Literalists Cannot Honestly Answer
(July 17, 2017 at 10:37 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:
Godscreated Wrote:


Clearly there is no reason for the statement 'God doesn't exist' except as a response to the claim 'God does exist'. 'God doesn't exist' is the null hypothesis that needs to be disproven before acceptance of the hypothesis 'God does exist' can be rationally justified.

Same with Shiva, Yetis, ghosts, deep lake monsters, alien abductions, and so on. The null hypothesis must be disproven before it becomes reasonable to believe the hypothesis that they are real. Anecdotes are not sufficient support for things that can't be otherwise observed to exist. If you say ghosts are real and we say 'nuh uh, prove it!' the ball is in your court. We are perfectly justified in rejecting your claim until you adequately support it. You wouldn't buy 'I know it in my heart' for Krishna as proof that Krishna is real, (else you would believe that Krishna is real and who Krishna is claimed to be, because Krishna believers offer that exact same support for Krishna), so why would you expect it to carry water for us? It only works on people who already agree with you. It's a useless apologetic that Jesus was never recorded as using. I mean seriously, how would Jesus have acted online? According to the Gospels he would demonstrate his love and trustworthiness and not worry about those of us who don't decide to follow him. But evangelists never follow the advice of Jesus on how to win converts. They go with 'indoctrinate kids as young as you can get 'em' and 'preach at people into you're blue in the face'.

 You are so wrong in several ways. First he didn't say what I've bold above. He made the positive statement that God doesn't exist and never said anything about me proving God does exist. I can say Krishna doesn't exist because I know God does exist, (even if I can't prove it to your satisfaction) God says there are no other gods but Me. Since I know Him and I know Him not to lie I know there's no other gods. I've never tried to pressure anyone into believing, that would defeat what I believe and what Christ taught, I've known Christians who did and that just doesn't cut it. Your indoctrination statement is a slap in the face to all those great Sunday school teachers that present the Bible to children in a simple way to teach them what it says. I know many who never pressure children and do you know why, because they believe as I do, forcing a decision is not a decision for Christ thus no salvation and it could eventually end up causing them to reject the Bible and the God who gave it. I was never pressured by anyone to believe and I grew up in a old time Southern Baptist church.

GC 

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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