(July 19, 2017 at 12:25 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(July 19, 2017 at 11:53 am)mh.brewer Wrote: The only person not willing to accept is you because it does not conform to your fantasy. Twist!

You still haven't proven how "last time" equates to meaning 2000 years ago...

And you haven't proven that god exists and this is not all just one big fantasy devoid of reason and logic.

Conveniently ignoring all the other failings of your godboy, Huggy.  Shouldn't a god be able to do better?

P.S., the jews would not have been impressed with a great king who got himself killed.  Where do you get this shit?  You are far too desperate.

(July 19, 2017 at 12:34 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(July 19, 2017 at 12:19 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Poor deluded G-C.  Still thinks his silly shit is real.

What did Jews expect the moschiach to accomplish?



Jesus, like a piss-poor batter went 0 for 4.  And there wasn't any second bite at the apple.  The real messiah was supposed to get it all done in one fell swoop.  This "second coming" horseshit was a later development when early jesus freaks realized their godboy had fucked up and wasn't coming back any time soon.

And morons like Huggy and G-C eat that shit up.

Except I showed where it clearly states in Zechariah that when the Jews meet the Messiah, he would have wounds from being pierced, Zechariah 13 specifically mentions the hands.

So If the Messiah was to accomplish all of that during his first coming, where did the wounds come from? And why are the Jews clueless as to how he received them?

So I just went and read Zechariah 13...In the NIV the wounds are not specified as being on the hands, so I guess you're reading a false translation. And other than the very first verse, this chapter is talking about false prophets, not the messiah.

You simply do not understand buy-bull reading 101.  Whenever it doesn't say what you want it to say you hold it upside down in a mirror and run in place so that you can't read it at all and then it always says what they want it to say.

Huggy and G-C play that game constantly.  No one pays any attention to them any more.

The discussions are always the same because you clowns cannot produce evidence for your god.  The ball is in your court.  Your buy-bull is heavily edited propaganda.  We need real evidence that you are not full of shit.

Your turn.

(July 19, 2017 at 1:04 pm)Inkfeather132 Wrote:

(July 19, 2017 at 12:34 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Except I showed where it clearly states in Zechariah that when the Jews meet the Messiah, he would have wounds from being pierced, Zechariah 13 specifically mentions the hands.

So If the Messiah was to accomplish all of that during his first coming, where did the wounds come from? And why are the Jews clueless as to how he received them?

So I just went and read Zechariah 13...In the NIV the wounds are not specified as being on the hands, so I guess you're reading a false translation. And other than the very first verse, this chapter is talking about false prophets, not the messiah.

Read chapter 12 of Zechariah and compare it to 13, they are speaking of the same event, there is no way that you can deny it it referring to the messiah.

That being said;

The NIV was published in the 1970's, The KJV is from 1611, in fact the NIV omits whole verses...

Quote:And one shall say unto him, ‘What are these wounds in thine hands?’ Then he shall answer, ‘Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.’ - Zechariah 13:6

Nevertheless the NIV says "body" instead of "hands"... this changes things how? seeing how Jesus was pierced though the hands, feet and side.

(July 19, 2017 at 1:25 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(July 19, 2017 at 1:04 pm)Inkfeather132 Wrote: So I just went and read Zechariah 13...In the NIV the wounds are not specified as being on the hands, so I guess you're reading a false translation. And other than the very first verse, this chapter is talking about false prophets, not the messiah.

Read chapter 12 of Zechariah and compare it to 13, they are speaking of the same event, there is no way that you can deny it it referring to the messiah.

That being said;

The NIV was published in the 1970's, The KJV is from 1611, in fact the NIV omits whole verses...

Quote:And one shall say unto him, ‘What are these wounds in thine hands?’ Then he shall answer, ‘Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.’ - Zechariah 13:6

Nevertheless the NIV says "body" instead of "hands"... this changes things how? seeing how Jesus was pierced though the hands, feet and side.

Zechariah 13:
13 “On that day a fountain will be opened to the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, to cleanse them from sin and impurity.

2 “On that day, I will banish the names of the idols from the land, and they will be remembered no more,” declares the Lord Almighty. “I will remove both the prophets and the spirit of impurity from the land. 3 And if anyone still prophesies, their father and mother, to whom they were born, will say to them, ‘You must die, because you have told lies in the Lord’s name.’ Then their own parents will stab the one who prophesies.

4 “On that day every prophet will be ashamed of their prophetic vision. They will not put on a prophet’s garment of hair in order to deceive. 5 Each will say, ‘I am not a prophet. I am a farmer; the land has been my livelihood since my youth.[a]’ 6 If someone asks, ‘What are these wounds on your body[b]?’ they will answer, ‘The wounds I was given at the house of my friends.’

Here it is. It is clearly not speaking of a messiah, it is talking about false prophets. Anyone who is interested may read it for themselves.