(July 19, 2017 at 10:11 pm)Astonished Wrote: I suspect you wouldn't find a peer-reviewed journal or article on anything supernatural, or NDEs, without the word 'shit' with some kind of prefix like 'bull', 'horse', 'dog', etc., somewhere in them.

Peer review journal?
No, you will not find much about NDEs experiences in these journals.
Why?
Because these journals deal with the physical-mental world and considering that NDEs deal with the consciousness and the outside dimension is then obvious that you will not see any peer review about NDEs.

Take Sam Parnia which studied NDEs more than everybody else for several years and guess what was his conclusion?
He said that further studies are needed because he could not yet understand in positive or negative about them so all your crap of bull, horse and dogs are nowhere to be seen in any respectable study.  

Quote:Personally I could give two shits if Caesar existed. What we learn from the story of his reign is sufficient. Anything else is just Shakespeare drama (and I don't give two shits if he existed either. We have the literature and that's all people who are into that kind of thing need.) Same with Socrates; what philosophy we learn from him and his students and their students are what matters. The existence of the person doesn't add anything significant. That's the difference between practicality and religion; in religion, the identity of the speaker and their existence is the only thing that makes what they say mean anything

1) First of all Jesus never intended start a religion.
In fact he was against religions and he showed that all the time that is why the priests asked Pontius Pilate to put him on the cross.
So it would be good if you guys stop associated Jesus with religions.

2) As you say.........what philosophy we learn from him and his students and their students are what matters......
Correct Ast, whether the person in question is Socrates or Jesus people learn something and that is what matters.
A myriad of people learn from Jesus teachings even if the caste of priests screwed up his teachings by turning them into religious dogmas.
Not all people however fall into the religious trap.
Many people understand his messages free from religious dogmas.

You got a big problem Ast.
You come to quick conclusions well before you really understand anything.

(July 20, 2017 at 8:10 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(July 19, 2017 at 10:11 pm)Astonished Wrote: I suspect you wouldn't find a peer-reviewed journal or article on anything supernatural, or NDEs, without the word 'shit' with some kind of prefix like 'bull', 'horse', 'dog', etc., somewhere in them.

Peer review journal?
No, you will not find much about NDEs experiences in these journals.
Why?
Because these journals deal with the physical-mental world and considering that NDEs deal with the consciousness and the outside dimension is then obvious that you will not see any peer review about NDEs.

Take Sam Parnia which studied NDEs more than everybody else for several years and guess what was his conclusion?
He said that further studies are needed because he could not yet understand in positive or negative about them so all your crap of bull, horse and dogs are nowhere to be seen in any respectable study.  

Quote:Personally I could give two shits if Caesar existed. What we learn from the story of his reign is sufficient. Anything else is just Shakespeare drama (and I don't give two shits if he existed either. We have the literature and that's all people who are into that kind of thing need.) Same with Socrates; what philosophy we learn from him and his students and their students are what matters. The existence of the person doesn't add anything significant. That's the difference between practicality and religion; in religion, the identity of the speaker and their existence is the only thing that makes what they say mean anything

1) First of all Jesus never intended start a religion.
In fact he was against religions and he showed that all the time that is why the priests asked Pontius Pilate to put him on the cross.
So it would be good if you guys stop associated Jesus with religions.

2) As you say.........what philosophy we learn from him and his students and their students are what matters......
Correct Ast, whether the person in question is Socrates or Jesus people learn something and that is what matters.
A myriad of people learn from Jesus teachings even if the caste of priests screwed up his teachings by turning them into religious dogmas.
Not all people however fall into the religious trap.
Many people understand his messages free from religious dogmas.

You got a big problem Ast.
You come to quick conclusions well before you really understand anything.

There are peer reviewed journals about psychology, which deals with consciousness. If NDEs are capable of being verified, as you claim, then there would be at least one peer reviewed study on it.

You can learn things from fictional characters all the time. That's not what's at issue here. Your claim was that Jesus was actually real, not whether or not we could learn anything from him. I can't really understand what you've got against religions. You are just like they are. Make a lot of claims, but have only "I feel it in my heart!" to back them up with. You've just made a religion of one and you cling to it just as irrationally as any other religious person would.

(July 20, 2017 at 10:39 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote:

(July 20, 2017 at 8:10 am)Little Rik Wrote: Peer review journal?
No, you will not find much about NDEs experiences in these journals.
Why?
Because these journals deal with the physical-mental world and considering that NDEs deal with the consciousness and the outside dimension is then obvious that you will not see any peer review about NDEs.

Take Sam Parnia which studied NDEs more than everybody else for several years and guess what was his conclusion?
He said that further studies are needed because he could not yet understand in positive or negative about them so all your crap of bull, horse and dogs are nowhere to be seen in any respectable study.  



1) First of all Jesus never intended start a religion.
In fact he was against religions and he showed that all the time that is why the priests asked Pontius Pilate to put him on the cross.
So it would be good if you guys stop associated Jesus with religions.

2) As you say.........what philosophy we learn from him and his students and their students are what matters......
Correct Ast, whether the person in question is Socrates or Jesus people learn something and that is what matters.
A myriad of people learn from Jesus teachings even if the caste of priests screwed up his teachings by turning them into religious dogmas.
Not all people however fall into the religious trap.
Many people understand his messages free from religious dogmas.

You got a big problem Ast.  
You come to quick conclusions well before you really understand anything.

There are peer reviewed journals about psychology, which deals with consciousness. If NDEs are capable of being verified, as you claim, then there would be at least one peer reviewed study on it.

You can learn things from fictional characters all the time. That's not what's at issue here. Your claim was that Jesus was actually real, not whether or not we could learn anything from him. I can't really understand what you've got against religions. You are just like they are. Make a lot of claims, but have only "I feel it in my heart!" to back them up with. You've just made a religion of one and you cling to it just as irrationally as any other religious person would.

You're wasting your breath. Lickle Shit doesn't understand it, whether by choice or by genuine mental incapability.

(July 20, 2017 at 10:39 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote:

(July 20, 2017 at 8:10 am)Little Rik Wrote: Peer review journal?
No, you will not find much about NDEs experiences in these journals.
Why?
Because these journals deal with the physical-mental world and considering that NDEs deal with the consciousness and the outside dimension is then obvious that you will not see any peer review about NDEs.

Take Sam Parnia which studied NDEs more than everybody else for several years and guess what was his conclusion?
He said that further studies are needed because he could not yet understand in positive or negative about them so all your crap of bull, horse and dogs are nowhere to be seen in any respectable study.  



1) First of all Jesus never intended start a religion.
In fact he was against religions and he showed that all the time that is why the priests asked Pontius Pilate to put him on the cross.
So it would be good if you guys stop associated Jesus with religions.

2) As you say.........what philosophy we learn from him and his students and their students are what matters......
Correct Ast, whether the person in question is Socrates or Jesus people learn something and that is what matters.
A myriad of people learn from Jesus teachings even if the caste of priests screwed up his teachings by turning them into religious dogmas.
Not all people however fall into the religious trap.
Many people understand his messages free from religious dogmas.

You got a big problem Ast.  
You come to quick conclusions well before you really understand anything.

There are peer reviewed journals about psychology, which deals with consciousness.

WRONG.

What psychology is all about?
Psychology is the scientific study of the mind and behavior. Psychology is a multifaceted discipline and includes many sub-fields of study such areas as human development, sports, health, clinical, social behavior and cognitive processes.
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=psych...e&ie=UTF-8

I wish you knew what is the difference between mind and consciousness.  
The mind can only grasp what is external while the consciousness is an internal process.  

Quote:If NDEs are capable of being verified, as you claim, then there would be at least one peer reviewed study on it.

You should ask Mr. Sam Parnia about that.
The guy studied for several years the NDEs (in fact is the one who studied more than everybody else the NDEs) and at the end he surrendered to the fact that he could not getting anywhere.
The reason is very very simple.
There is a border to cross and by trying to cross that by using the mind is an impossibility.
Is like to call a plumber when you want to fix your computer or call an electrician when you want to fix your sink pipes.
It just doesn't work Ink that is why when you want to understand the consciousness you switch off the mind and engage in yoga meditation.

Quote:You can learn things from fictional characters all the time. That's not what's at issue here. Your claim was that Jesus was actually real, not whether or not we could learn anything from him. I can't really understand what you've got against religions. You are just like they are. Make a lot of claims, but have only "I feel it in my heart!" to back them up with. You've just made a religion of one and you cling to it just as irrationally as any other religious person would.

You too feel in your heart that you are right and other people are wrong.
What this has got to do with religions?

At least I do work to expand my consciousness.
You on the other end do nothing in that regard thinking that the mind is the tool to use to understand what we do not yet know in that field.  

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(July 20, 2017 at 9:46 pm)Astonished Wrote:

(July 20, 2017 at 10:39 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote: There are peer reviewed journals about psychology, which deals with consciousness. If NDEs are capable of being verified, as you claim, then there would be at least one peer reviewed study on it.

You can learn things from fictional characters all the time. That's not what's at issue here. Your claim was that Jesus was actually real, not whether or not we could learn anything from him. I can't really understand what you've got against religions. You are just like they are. Make a lot of claims, but have only "I feel it in my heart!" to back them up with. You've just made a religion of one and you cling to it just as irrationally as any other religious person would.

You're wasting your breath. Lickle Shit doesn't understand it, whether by choice or by genuine mental incapability.

Gee, how lucky I am to find an expert like you.  

Please Ast try to help LR to understand these difficult issues.

1) What is the meaning of philosophy?
2) What is the difference between religions and spirituality?
3) What determine the wealth of a country?

Thanks brother Ast.
Please help LR to understand.  

(July 21, 2017 at 4:33 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(July 20, 2017 at 10:39 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote: There are peer reviewed journals about psychology, which deals with consciousness.

WRONG.

What psychology is all about?
Psychology is the scientific study of the mind and behavior. Psychology is a multifaceted discipline and includes many sub-fields of study such areas as human development, sports, health, clinical, social behavior and cognitive processes.
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=psych...e&ie=UTF-8

I wish you knew what is the difference between mind and consciousness.  
The mind can only grasp what is external while the consciousness is an internal process.  

Quote:If NDEs are capable of being verified, as you claim, then there would be at least one peer reviewed study on it.

You should ask Mr. Sam Parnia about that.
The guy studied for several years the NDEs (in fact is the one who studied more than everybody else the NDEs) and at the end he surrendered to the fact that he could not getting anywhere.
The reason is very very simple.
There is a border to cross and by trying to cross that by using the mind is an impossibility.
Is like to call a plumber when you want to fix your computer or call an electrician when you want to fix your sink pipes.
It just doesn't work Ink that is why when you want to understand the consciousness you switch off the mind and engage in yoga meditation.

Quote:You can learn things from fictional characters all the time. That's not what's at issue here. Your claim was that Jesus was actually real, not whether or not we could learn anything from him. I can't really understand what you've got against religions. You are just like they are. Make a lot of claims, but have only "I feel it in my heart!" to back them up with. You've just made a religion of one and you cling to it just as irrationally as any other religious person would.

You too feel in your heart that you are right and other people are wrong.
What this has got to do with religions?

At least I do work to expand my consciousness.
You on the other end do nothing in that regard thinking that the mind is the tool to use to understand what we do not yet know in that field.  

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(July 20, 2017 at 9:46 pm)Astonished Wrote: You're wasting your breath. Lickle Shit doesn't understand it, whether by choice or by genuine mental incapability.

Gee, how lucky I am to find an expert like you.  

Please Ast try to help LR to understand these difficult issues.

1) What is the meaning of philosophy?
2) What is the difference between religions and spirituality?
3) What determine the wealth of a country?

Thanks brother Ast.
Please help LR to understand.  

con·scious·ness
ˈkän(t)SHəsnəs
noun
the state of being awake and aware of one's surroundings.
"she failed to regain consciousness and died two days later"
the awareness or perception of something by a person.
plural noun: consciousnesses
"her acute consciousness of Mike's presence"
the fact of awareness by the mind of itself and the world.
"consciousness emerges from the operations of the brain"

That's the definition of consciousness LR. Have a look at that third definition there, and notice the phrase "by the mind". You don't get to just make up meanings for words and then say I don't know what I'm talking about. Now look at this:

psy·chol·o·gy
sīˈkäləjē/
noun
the scientific study of the human mind and its functions, especially those affecting behavior in a given context.

So if psychology deals with the function of the human mind, and consciousness is the mind being aware of itself and the outside world, then psychology does deal with it. I think it's time for an English lesson. What you are describing doesn't sound like consciousness to me. It sounds like you are talking about a soul or spirit, something that interacts with the physical and non-physical worlds. If you would like to provide evidence that such a thing exists, go ahead.

I personally don't care if Mr. Parnia studied them his whole life if he didn't do it in a scientific manner, or publish a peer reviewed paper on his findings.

What "feeling in your heart" has to do with religions is: that's all they've got as evidence for their claims. And it's all you've got as evidence for your's as well. You are no different than any other theist, you just think you're better because you don't go to a church. They actually look less ridiculous than you because at least they have an external source (the Bible) to rally around and explain why they believe something. You just spout random nonsense.

(July 21, 2017 at 8:56 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote:

(July 21, 2017 at 4:33 am)Little Rik Wrote: WRONG.

What psychology is all about?
Psychology is the scientific study of the mind and behavior. Psychology is a multifaceted discipline and includes many sub-fields of study such areas as human development, sports, health, clinical, social behavior and cognitive processes.
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=psych...e&ie=UTF-8

I wish you knew what is the difference between mind and consciousness.  
The mind can only grasp what is external while the consciousness is an internal process.  



You should ask Mr. Sam Parnia about that.
The guy studied for several years the NDEs (in fact is the one who studied more than everybody else the NDEs) and at the end he surrendered to the fact that he could not getting anywhere.
The reason is very very simple.
There is a border to cross and by trying to cross that by using the mind is an impossibility.
Is like to call a plumber when you want to fix your computer or call an electrician when you want to fix your sink pipes.
It just doesn't work Ink that is why when you want to understand the consciousness you switch off the mind and engage in yoga meditation.




You too feel in your heart that you are right and other people are wrong.
What this has got to do with religions?

At least I do work to expand my consciousness.
You on the other end do nothing in that regard thinking that the mind is the tool to use to understand what we do not yet know in that field.  

---

Gee, how lucky I am to find an expert like you.  

Please Ast try to help LR to understand these difficult issues.

1) What is the meaning of philosophy?
2) What is the difference between religions and spirituality?
3) What determine the wealth of a country?

Thanks brother Ast.
Please help LR to understand.  

con·scious·ness
ˈkän(t)SHəsnəs
noun
the state of being awake and aware of one's surroundings.
"she failed to regain consciousness and died two days later"
the awareness or perception of something by a person.
plural noun: consciousnesses
"her acute consciousness of Mike's presence"
the fact of awareness by the mind of itself and the world.
"consciousness emerges from the operations of the brain"

That's the definition of consciousness LR. Have a look at that third definition there, and notice the phrase "by the mind". You don't get to just make up meanings for words and then say I don't know what I'm talking about. Now look at this:

psy·chol·o·gy
sīˈkäləjē/
noun
the scientific study of the human mind and its functions, especially those affecting behavior in a given context.

So if psychology deals with the function of the human mind, and consciousness is the mind being aware of itself and the outside world, then psychology does deal with it. I think it's time for an English lesson. What you are describing doesn't sound like consciousness to me. It sounds like you are talking about a soul or spirit, something that interacts with the physical and non-physical worlds. If you would like to provide evidence that such a thing exists, go ahead.

I personally don't care if Mr. Parnia studied them his whole life if he didn't do it in a scientific manner, or publish a peer reviewed paper on his findings.

What "feeling in your heart" has to do with religions is: that's all they've got as evidence for their claims. And it's all you've got as evidence for your's as well. You are no different than any other theist, you just think you're better because you don't go to a church. They actually look less ridiculous than you because at least they have an external source (the Bible) to rally around and explain why they believe something. You just spout random nonsense.

Wrong again Ast.

It is true that as far as the person is alive the consciousness rely on his-her body and brain to be aware.
No question about it.
It is like when you go in your car.
It is natural that you rely on such a vehicle to move from point A to point B.
That however doesn't mean that when your vehicle give up you die with your vehicle.
You are totally free to exit your vehicle and continue your journey with an other vehicle.
This happen all the time as already proved by thousand of NDEs experiences.

Just because we are stuck inside a body we tend to believe that mind and consciousness are the same thing.
This is a dogma or a false belief.
Most people find very difficult to understand this feeling to be one with the vehicle.
Smart people however do not fall in the trap.
I don't but if you do then i wish you all the best for you to wake you up ASAP.
Is just not worth to be reincarnated again and again trying to understand how the system works.
Why an intelligent person would fall in that trap?

As far as the religious argument please note that the internal knowledge is far far better than any external one.
Have you ever noticed that when you do not know something you start thinking within?
Inventors of all ages always got the sparking idea coming from within.
That is where the real knowledge lie.  

(July 22, 2017 at 7:18 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(July 21, 2017 at 8:56 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote: con·scious·ness
ˈkän(t)SHəsnəs
noun
the state of being awake and aware of one's surroundings.
"she failed to regain consciousness and died two days later"
the awareness or perception of something by a person.
plural noun: consciousnesses
"her acute consciousness of Mike's presence"
the fact of awareness by the mind of itself and the world.
"consciousness emerges from the operations of the brain"

That's the definition of consciousness LR. Have a look at that third definition there, and notice the phrase "by the mind". You don't get to just make up meanings for words and then say I don't know what I'm talking about. Now look at this:

psy·chol·o·gy
sīˈkäləjē/
noun
the scientific study of the human mind and its functions, especially those affecting behavior in a given context.

So if psychology deals with the function of the human mind, and consciousness is the mind being aware of itself and the outside world, then psychology does deal with it. I think it's time for an English lesson. What you are describing doesn't sound like consciousness to me. It sounds like you are talking about a soul or spirit, something that interacts with the physical and non-physical worlds. If you would like to provide evidence that such a thing exists, go ahead.

I personally don't care if Mr. Parnia studied them his whole life if he didn't do it in a scientific manner, or publish a peer reviewed paper on his findings.

What "feeling in your heart" has to do with religions is: that's all they've got as evidence for their claims. And it's all you've got as evidence for your's as well. You are no different than any other theist, you just think you're better because you don't go to a church. They actually look less ridiculous than you because at least they have an external source (the Bible) to rally around and explain why they believe something. You just spout random nonsense.

Wrong again Ast.

It is true that as far as the person is alive the consciousness rely on his-her body and brain to be aware.
No question about it.
It is like when you go in your car.
It is natural that you rely on such a vehicle to move from point A to point B.
That however doesn't mean that when your vehicle give up you die with your vehicle.
You are totally free to exit your vehicle and continue your journey with an other vehicle.
This happen all the time as already proved by thousand of NDEs experiences.

Just because we are stuck inside a body we tend to believe that mind and consciousness are the same thing.
This is a dogma or a false belief.
Most people find very difficult to understand this feeling to be one with the vehicle.
Smart people however do not fall in the trap.
I don't but if you do then i wish you all the best for you to wake you up ASAP.
Is just not worth to be reincarnated again and again trying to understand how the system works.
Why an intelligent person would fall in that trap?

As far as the religious argument please note that the internal knowledge is far far better than any external one.
Have you ever noticed that when you do not know something you start thinking within?
Inventors of all ages always got the sparking idea coming from within.
That is where the real knowledge lie.  

First off, I'm not Ast dude, he's ignoring you (I guess playing with stupid trolls like you isn't as fun for him as it is for me ) But this is just getting sad. All you are capable of now are assertions without even an attempt to back them up with evidence. You say the spark of an idea comes from within? You are correct. The brain is within the head after all One thing I have to ask though, you said you don't believe in Hell, right? So, why are you here arguing? You're not trying to save us from anything, because there is nothing to save us from. So why is it so important to you that we believe the same things you do?

(July 22, 2017 at 10:30 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote:

(July 22, 2017 at 7:18 am)Little Rik Wrote: Wrong again Ast.

It is true that as far as the person is alive the consciousness rely on his-her body and brain to be aware.
No question about it.
It is like when you go in your car.
It is natural that you rely on such a vehicle to move from point A to point B.
That however doesn't mean that when your vehicle give up you die with your vehicle.
You are totally free to exit your vehicle and continue your journey with an other vehicle.
This happen all the time as already proved by thousand of NDEs experiences.

Just because we are stuck inside a body we tend to believe that mind and consciousness are the same thing.
This is a dogma or a false belief.
Most people find very difficult to understand this feeling to be one with the vehicle.
Smart people however do not fall in the trap.
I don't but if you do then i wish you all the best for you to wake you up ASAP.
Is just not worth to be reincarnated again and again trying to understand how the system works.
Why an intelligent person would fall in that trap?

As far as the religious argument please note that the internal knowledge is far far better than any external one.
Have you ever noticed that when you do not know something you start thinking within?
Inventors of all ages always got the sparking idea coming from within.
That is where the real knowledge lie.  

First off, I'm not Ast dude, he's ignoring you (I guess playing with stupid trolls like you isn't as fun for him as it is for me ) But this is just getting sad. All you are capable of now are assertions without even an attempt to back them up with evidence. You say the spark of an idea comes from within? You are correct. The brain is within the head after all One thing I have to ask though, you said you don't believe in Hell, right? So, why are you here arguing? You're not trying to save us from anything, because there is nothing to save us from. So why is it so important to you that we believe the same things you do?

See how little thought goes into Likkle Shit's posts? He's not even paying fucking attention to who he's arguing with. I already pointed out, he'll disagree with something that supports his own position just for the fuck of it so he's an obvious goddamn troll. Cannot for the life of me understand why he's not been banned. *BRAWK!* *SQUAWK!* WRONG AGAIN! *WHISTLE* RIKKY WANT A CRACKER! *SQUAWK!* Like a fucking parrot pretending to be a human arguing with someone.

(July 22, 2017 at 10:43 am)Astonished Wrote:

(July 22, 2017 at 10:30 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote: First off, I'm not Ast dude, he's ignoring you (I guess playing with stupid trolls like you isn't as fun for him as it is for me ) But this is just getting sad. All you are capable of now are assertions without even an attempt to back them up with evidence. You say the spark of an idea comes from within? You are correct. The brain is within the head after all One thing I have to ask though, you said you don't believe in Hell, right? So, why are you here arguing? You're not trying to save us from anything, because there is nothing to save us from. So why is it so important to you that we believe the same things you do?

See how little thought goes into Likkle Shit's posts? He's not even paying fucking attention to who he's arguing with. I already pointed out, he'll disagree with something that supports his own position just for the fuck of it so he's an obvious goddamn troll. Cannot for the life of me understand why he's not been banned. *BRAWK!* *SQUAWK!* WRONG AGAIN! *WHISTLE* RIKKY WANT A CRACKER! *SQUAWK!* Like a fucking parrot pretending to be a human arguing with someone.

I was in the hurry before to be off for my work so I did confuse your name for Ink.
Gee, what a big deal Ast!
You keep on asking and asking again and again for me to be banned.
You don't seem to be ready for the challenge.
Only those who agree with you are allow to be in the forum.
Is that so Ast?
Grow up son and stop behaving like a little kid that go crying to mum when things don't go your way.  

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(July 22, 2017 at 10:30 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote:

(July 22, 2017 at 7:18 am)Little Rik Wrote: Wrong again Ast.

It is true that as far as the person is alive the consciousness rely on his-her body and brain to be aware.
No question about it.
It is like when you go in your car.
It is natural that you rely on such a vehicle to move from point A to point B.
That however doesn't mean that when your vehicle give up you die with your vehicle.
You are totally free to exit your vehicle and continue your journey with an other vehicle.
This happen all the time as already proved by thousand of NDEs experiences.

Just because we are stuck inside a body we tend to believe that mind and consciousness are the same thing.
This is a dogma or a false belief.
Most people find very difficult to understand this feeling to be one with the vehicle.
Smart people however do not fall in the trap.
I don't but if you do then i wish you all the best for you to wake you up ASAP.
Is just not worth to be reincarnated again and again trying to understand how the system works.
Why an intelligent person would fall in that trap?

As far as the religious argument please note that the internal knowledge is far far better than any external one.
Have you ever noticed that when you do not know something you start thinking within?
Inventors of all ages always got the sparking idea coming from within.
That is where the real knowledge lie.  

First off, I'm not Ast dude, he's ignoring you (I guess playing with stupid trolls like you isn't as fun for him as it is for me ) But this is just getting sad. All you are capable of now are assertions without even an attempt to back them up with evidence. You say the spark of an idea comes from within? You are correct. The brain is within the head after all

I already explained to Ast why I did confused his name for yours.
My apologies.

As far as the brain and consciousness argument you just don't get it and I wonder if you will ever get it.
Just because the consciousness rely on the brain to be active it doesn't mean that the brain is the boss.
When you drive your vehicle you rely on the vehicle however that doesn't mean that your vehicle is in charge.
You are in charge not the other way around.
Could your vehicle drive by itself?
I guess you never though about that Ink, did you?

Quote:One thing I have to ask though, you said you don't believe in Hell, right? So, why are you here arguing? You're not trying to save us from anything, because there is nothing to save us from. So why is it so important to you that we believe the same things you do?

Is the challenge that make the life interesting Ink.
I could well go in a yoga forum and find that almost everybody agree with me.
That wouldn't be challenging and interesting.
Here on the other hand there is a lot of challenges for me and that give me satisfaction.
Nothing to do with saving you from hell.
That is your problem whether you wish to be born again and again until you get how the system works.
That however may well be a mental hell as well but if you are happy as you are that's ok. with me.

(July 23, 2017 at 6:02 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(July 22, 2017 at 10:30 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote: First off, I'm not Ast dude, he's ignoring you (I guess playing with stupid trolls like you isn't as fun for him as it is for me ) But this is just getting sad. All you are capable of now are assertions without even an attempt to back them up with evidence. You say the spark of an idea comes from within? You are correct. The brain is within the head after all

I already explained to Ast why I did confused his name for yours.
My apologies.

As far as the brain and consciousness argument you just don't get it and I wonder if you will ever get it.
Just because the consciousness rely on the brain to be active it doesn't mean that the brain is the boss.
When you drive your vehicle you rely on the vehicle however that doesn't mean that your vehicle is in charge.
You are in charge not the other way around.
Could your vehicle drive by itself?
I guess you never though about that Ink, did you?

You keep wondering if I've thought of these things. Let me assure you I have, and then I laughed at the absurdity and moved on. If something relies on x, then that x is the boss, at least to a certain extent. They are real close to cars that can drive themselves, but that's another topic. You haven't provided any evidence that your analogy is accurate. As far as I'm concerned, I've seen no evidence that a soul exists so yes, the body does do the driving and is nothing like a car. How come when you aren't in REM sleep you can't remember what it's like? How come when people are in comas, it's like they just don't exist? How come certain brain injuries can completely change a person's personality? How come when the brain doesn't make enough of certain chemicals it is very difficult for a person to be happy? The brain seems to be the one in charge, not a soul. Where is your evidence that a soul exists? You keep bringing up NDEs, where the heart and breathing have stopped. But for the brain, it takes six minutes without oxygen for the brain to even begin to die. Who knows what supply of oxygen it had before the heart stopped? And of course the temperature of the body affects this time too, the colder you are the longer your brain can live. My point is, LR, that even when someone is clinically dead it does not mean they are brain dead, or even close. So all those NDEs could indeed be explained by the brain hallucinating as it loses oxygen and begins to die.

(July 23, 2017 at 6:02 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(July 22, 2017 at 10:30 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote: One thing I have to ask though, you said you don't believe in Hell, right? So, why are you here arguing? You're not trying to save us from anything, because there is nothing to save us from. So why is it so important to you that we believe the same things you do?

Is the challenge that make the life interesting Ink.
I could well go in a yoga forum and find that almost everybody agree with me.
That wouldn't be challenging and interesting.
Here on the other hand there is a lot of challenges for me and that give me satisfaction.
Nothing to do with saving you from hell.
That is your problem whether you wish to be born again and again until you get how the system works.
That however may well be a mental hell as well but if you are happy as you are that's ok. with me.

Sure, I like a good challenge. And you absolutely are one since you refuse to back up anything you say with actual evidence. But it's fun, so I won't complain too much