(July 23, 2017 at 11:18 am)Interaktive Wrote: Racism

Wars are fought because of the dispute about the superiority of one nation over another, one religion over another, one ideology over another, one person over another.

Without racism, there is no war, and without war, there is no hierarchy in society.

So racism and war are inevitable? At least the war is inevitable, I think so.
For example, England's colonial wars and suppression of opposition by Lukashenka in Belarus.

Religion breeds ethnicism
get rid of that you get rid of many problems. 
Racism would only apply if there was sub races of human's but there isn't. 
Ethnicism would be the correct term.

(July 23, 2017 at 8:45 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(July 23, 2017 at 11:18 am)Interaktive Wrote: Racism

Wars are fought because of the dispute about the superiority of one nation over another, one religion over another, one ideology over another, one person over another.

Without racism, there is no war, and without war, there is no hierarchy in society.

So racism and war are inevitable? At least the war is inevitable, I think so.
For example, England's colonial wars and suppression of opposition by Lukashenka in Belarus.

Religion breeds ethnicism
get rid of that you get rid of many problems. 
Racism would only apply if there was sub races of human's but there isn't. 
Ethnicism would be the correct term.

It doesn't matter. Humans tend to coalesce around in-groups and focus their energies on out-groups. Eliminate one difference -- say, ban religion altogether, worldwide, and have that stick for say a thousand years -- it won't eliminate "problems", because we humans have it built deep into us to identify in-groups and out-groups, and accord favorable or unfavorable treatment along those lines. Eliminate racism? Then we'll pick on the rich, or the poor, or the nonbelievers, or the vegetarians, or ...

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that that tendency far predates the rise of even A. Afarensis.

Racism ?

Like the Lord God Almighty, Creator of the Heavens and the Earth playing favorites with various tribes and groups in the middle East, and then ordaining to sire, in fulfillment of prophesy He had given to Jews, a son by a Jewish girl, in a Jewish tribe who grew up to accumulate 12 Jewish disciples to preach His perfected form of Jewish religion to Jews ??


That kind of racism ?

So in my state almost all youngsters usually have motorcycles. I wouldn't say all or even most but a fair amount of said youngsters either didn't have a license or wouldn't wear a helmet, which is obviously against our law. Anyway, there are random checking by police along roads. They will stand beside the road and would ask you to pull over if they find you are not wearing a helmet or look young/suspicious that you wouldn't have a license. About 20-30% of the youngies *wouldn't* pull over, they will speed away either because of fear of a hefty fine or other reasons. The usual protocol *used* to be the police chasing after these kids in their cars, 80-85% of the time the kids get scared, does something stupid and ended up dead. This obviously raised some eyebrows and we passed a law banning police from chasing after kids, instead they could write down the number plate and send the fine through post.

So why I said this is I know that in America lots of blacks get killed by cops shot down by guns and a lot of cops would beat up a black kid given the chance and nobody would find out, I don't know why this is the case but your govt. have done nothing to put a stop to this. It is scientifically proven blacks on average have higher testosterone not that this should excuse them from their crimes but still, if this was the case in my country certain laws would've definitely been passed to put a stop to such deaths. I donno, when I look at our govt. I feel like they are doing things for us well I mean that's the obvious outcome because we *are* the government but when I look at how the law treats non-whites/minorities in America, I don't know, something just feels off, it's either because they(the majority vote) don't actually care or ..

(July 23, 2017 at 11:57 pm)pool the matey Wrote: So in my state almost all youngsters usually have motorcycles. I wouldn't say all or even most but a fair amount of said youngsters either didn't have a license or wouldn't wear a helmet, which is obviously against our law. Anyway, there are random checking by police along roads. They will stand beside the road and would ask you to pull over if they find you are not wearing a helmet or look young/suspicious that you wouldn't have a license. About 20-30% of the youngies *wouldn't* pull over, they will speed away either because of fear of a hefty fine or other reasons. The usual protocol *used* to be the police chasing after these kids in their cars, 80-85% of the time the kids get scared, does something stupid and ended up dead. This obviously raised some eyebrows and we passed a law banning police from chasing after kids, instead they could write down the number plate and send the fine through post.

So why I said this is I know that in America lots of blacks get killed by cops shot down by guns and a lot of cops would beat up a black kid given the chance and nobody would find out, I don't know why this is the case but your govt. have done nothing to put a stop to this. It is scientifically proven blacks on average have higher testosterone not that this should excuse them from their crimes but still, if this was the case in my country certain laws would've definitely been passed to put a stop to such deaths. I donno, when I look at our govt. I feel like they are doing things for us well I mean that's the obvious outcome because we *are* the government but when I look at how the law treats non-whites/minorities in America, I don't know, something just feels off, it's either because they(the majority vote) don't actually care or ..

Is there a source on that claim about testosterone? I always like to know a claim that could be construed as extremely racist or other -ist is at least provisionally substantiated. Also that kind of thing tends to be bandied about a little too overconfidently by theists when they're either lying or just plain wrong, so I never want to take that kind of thing at face value no matter who's saying it.

The claim that without racism there'd be no war is obviously false on the basis that people of the same race go to war with each other.

The question that would be debatable is to what extent is racism involved in any war, in my opinion I'm pretty sure racism is a thin layer of icing on a cake when it comes to reasons people go to war most of the time.

(July 23, 2017 at 5:00 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Once again, Losty beat me to it (starting to get tired of that, btw   ).  While particular wars may have a racist component, 'war' in general is economic in nature.  If racism were eliminated from human society the only thing that would change about the nature of war would be to alter, 'We are better than you so we deserve your stuff' to 'You're just as good as we are, but we want your stuff'.

Boru

Hehe sorry. You said it so much more eloquently though

(July 23, 2017 at 7:28 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: I don't know that racism is always a cause of war. It regularly seems to be one of the justifications for it, though.

We don't take to kindly to ya mountain folk around these here parts.

(July 24, 2017 at 9:32 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(July 23, 2017 at 7:28 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: I don't know that racism is always a cause of war. It regularly seems to be one of the justifications for it, though.

We don't take to kindly to ya mountain folk around these here parts.

It certainly does seem to be a cause of slavery if nothing else...

You can't really eliminate racism unless you give the population a collective lobotomy.