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RE: I am confused by American christians
July 28, 2017 at 2:54 pm
(July 28, 2017 at 2:26 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (July 28, 2017 at 10:56 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Now this seems to be the opposite of American Christians who blaze around trying to be the biggest arseholes they can be. (they have to a certain extent spread this over here but only in tiny patches).
I think personally what you're seeing is the loudest ones. There are plenty of Christians who aren't like that in my experience.
As far as those that are, you can probably blame the fundamentalist movement.
^Exactly this. The overwhelming majority of Christians are no different (outwardly) from normal people. They're concerned with things like getting their kids over the flu, keeping the lights on, and not pissing off the boss. It's the ones who place Jebus so far above daily life who make all the trouble.
Loudmouths (in anything, not just religion) are an annoyingly vocal subset.
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RE: I am confused by American christians
July 28, 2017 at 3:24 pm
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(July 28, 2017 at 12:03 pm)Drich Wrote: what exposure do you have with american christian? what the fake news says? their double coverage of the westbrough baptists and the none existant coverage of everyone else? You know the WBB are a family congregation and a neighbor right? Yet every other church who sits hundreds to thousands to mega churches who seat 10,000+ with multiple sermons every sunday and all of their works are completely non existent in the mainstream media. So why would you think, you would think any different of anyone else. You have poisoned the well of ALL american Christians based on the crazy stuff they put on the news.
My god your are intentionally blind.
They (your christians) don't need fake news. They make their own news plus advertise themselves to the world and even when in the wrong most so called christians never speak out against what they preach, teach, or their hypocrisy.
Address this list:
Josh Duggar and the Duggar family
Peter Popoff
Jim and Tammy Baker
Jimmy Swaggart
Word of Faith Fellowship
Pat Robertson (beat your wife)
Benny Hinn
Kenneth Copeland
Creflo Dollar
Ted Haggard
Wade Malloy/Wayne Parker
Terry and Brenda Millender
This is only the tip. These are US christian leaders.
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RE: I am confused by American christians
July 28, 2017 at 3:30 pm
John Hegge
Franklin Graham
Falwell family
But you also have nuts on the left
Deepak Choprah (sp)
And nuts even outside religion
Psychics in general.
There is superstition and mythology worldwide in every nation to greater or lesser degrees depending on geography, family, sect.
There are conservatives and liberals in every religion too.
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RE: I am confused by American christians
July 28, 2017 at 3:51 pm
(July 28, 2017 at 12:19 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote: (July 28, 2017 at 12:03 pm)Drich Wrote: what exposure do you have with american christian? what the fake news says? their double coverage of the westbrough baptists and the none existant coverage of everyone else? You know the WBB are a family congregation and a neighbor right? Yet every other church who sits hundreds to thousands to mega churches who seat 10,000+ with multiple sermons every sunday and all of their works are completely non existent in the mainstream media. So why would you think, you would think any different of anyone else. You have poisoned the well of ALL american Christians based on the crazy stuff they put on the news.
I swear, you do more to make atheists feel good about their unbelief (and probably getting believers to question their faith) then anything I can think of right now. You're the perfect example of the poisoning of the American christian well.
So where is the coverage of the thousands my home congregation has personally saved from vensualia? Where are the stories of the churches who have spent millions after the movie stars left Haiti? Can you name some of the embedded church groups who are helping to rebuild that nation?
You can name a single person out of the millions who give their lives to helping others...
Now name me a christian who hates fags. out of the maybe 100s that actively do hate gay people everyone of you can produce a name.
Why is that? if not for a one sided anti-church media?
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RE: I am confused by American christians
July 28, 2017 at 3:53 pm
You ask that question as though you weren't just such a person, lol.
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RE: I am confused by American christians
July 28, 2017 at 3:53 pm
(July 28, 2017 at 3:24 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: (July 28, 2017 at 12:03 pm)Drich Wrote: what exposure do you have with american christian? what the fake news says? their double coverage of the westbrough baptists and the none existant coverage of everyone else? You know the WBB are a family congregation and a neighbor right? Yet every other church who sits hundreds to thousands to mega churches who seat 10,000+ with multiple sermons every sunday and all of their works are completely non existent in the mainstream media. So why would you think, you would think any different of anyone else. You have poisoned the well of ALL american Christians based on the crazy stuff they put on the news.
My god your are intentionally blind.
They (your christians) don't need fake news. They make their own news plus advertise themselves to the world and even when in the wrong most so called christians never speak out against what they preach, teach, or their hypocrisy.
Address this list:
Josh Duggar and the Duggar family
Peter Popoff
Jim and Tammy Baker
Jimmy Swaggart
Word of Faith Fellowship
Pat Robertson (beat your wife)
Benny Hinn
Kenneth Copeland
Creflo Dollar
Ted Haggard
Wade Malloy/Wayne Parker
Terry and Brenda Millender
This is only the tip. These are US christian leaders.
do you have any names of active members in the church? or are you hopping that most of these 70s and 80s icons are still doing their thing???
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RE: I am confused by American christians
July 28, 2017 at 3:58 pm
(July 28, 2017 at 3:51 pm)Drich Wrote: So where is the coverage of the thousands my home congregation has personally saved from vensualia? Where are the stories of the churches who have spent millions after the movie stars left Haiti? Can you name some of the embedded church groups who are helping to rebuild that nation?
You can name a single person out of the millions who give their lives to helping others...
Now name me a christian who hates fags. out of the maybe 100s that actively do hate gay people everyone of you can produce a name.
Why is that? if not for a one sided anti-church media?
The christian church has been a problem for thousands of years. I could understand if there was the occasional bad thing that christianity, christians, the church did, but the christian religion has a very bloody history as well as a current evil presence in society.
I judge religion on the entirety of its history, and the bad far outweighs any good it attempts to accomplish.
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RE: I am confused by American christians
July 28, 2017 at 4:01 pm
American church leaders in America:
Charles Stanly
Haden Robertson
Mark Dehan
*James Mcdonald
Hank Hannigraff
James Dobbson (RIP)
Steve Brown
Alster Begg
These are american Church leaders.
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RE: I am confused by American christians
July 28, 2017 at 4:05 pm
(July 28, 2017 at 11:24 am)Khemikal Wrote: (July 28, 2017 at 10:56 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: What gives?
Why is being a huge dick part of the Christian US agenda?
-that's what happens when faith is subverted and transformed into a political wedge for the benefit of people whose agenda is to be as a big a dick as they can in any area they can cram it into. We still have christians who missed the boarding party for the rightwing Hate Express. They just aren't as loud and obnoxious, so they go unnoticed.
Dude, the fucking book itself doesn't need to be subverted, all that fucking bad shit is in there to begin with.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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RE: I am confused by American christians
July 28, 2017 at 4:06 pm
(July 28, 2017 at 3:51 pm)Drich Wrote: (July 28, 2017 at 12:19 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote: I swear, you do more to make atheists feel good about their unbelief (and probably getting believers to question their faith) then anything I can think of right now. You're the perfect example of the poisoning of the American christian well.
So where is the coverage of the thousands my home congregation has personally saved from vensualia? Where are the stories of the churches who have spent millions after the movie stars left Haiti? Can you name some of the embedded church groups who are helping to rebuild that nation?
You can name a single person out of the millions who give their lives to helping others...
Now name me a christian who hates fags. out of the maybe 100s that actively do hate gay people everyone of you can produce a name.
Why is that? if not for a one sided anti-church media?
What makes you so narcissistic as to think sharing is a patent held by one sect?
If a religious charity is more successful than another it isn't because a real god exists, it is because humans evolved with empathy. The other reason is that sect simply markets their "goodness" better and gets more donations based on that fallacy that a deity and a book are the result of their good fortune.
If you would study the worlds religions and not simply hide behind yours, you would know every religion has depictions of acts of kindness and sharing.
Hindus have charities, Buddhists have charities, Jews have charities and even Muslims have charities. And GASP even atheists have charities.
You know what that says to me? That says our species ability to be empathetic and share is in our genes, not in our labels, not in old books of mythology.
If one charity is more successful than another, that is merely the marketing, the label itself has no magic powers.
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