How about "G" and "Mini-G?"

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(August 7, 2017 at 8:21 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(August 5, 2017 at 3:16 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: well this is part of my ongoing effort to help the believers to 'up their game' as it were, that someday we might have one here worthy of our atheist attentions in refuting an actual contender for The One True Faith.

I wouldn't consider  imposing a deadline, but I might hint vaguely that at some point in the future I might propose to staff here we institute criteria for believers that want to post here and that we phase out the current practice of allowing obvious heretics and apostates on the forum.

We were ahead of you long ago, you've never given anything worth hearing, so being worthy of an argument is completely out.

The father, Son and Holy Spirit are and have always been. Jesus called God the Father both God and Father and referred to himself as Son. We Christians have no problem distinguishing between the three of the Triune God. The problems is with you and the other atheist here, it really isn't hard if you gave it a little bit of effort.

GC

The trinity. When one gawd just isn't enough for your mono-theism.

(August 8, 2017 at 10:14 am)chimp3 Wrote:

(August 8, 2017 at 9:39 am)Godscreated Wrote:  You have mistakes probably from misunderstanding. Christ was certainly referred to as the Lamb of God because lambs where the sacrifice the at the Passover in Egypt. Jesus was/is God, God in the flesh and was no animal lead to the slaughter, He volunteered to be the sacrifice for mankind, we are His creation and He took on the responsibility of being the sacrificial lamb for mankind. Christ's sacrifice was no ritual, no previous sacrifice had ever risen from the dead.

GC

Pretty sick shit! Sick when that myth was generated and sick when repeated by you.

 Sick, really, the God of the universe sacrificed His life for us, it doesn't get any more awesome than that. He could have just wiped us out and put an end to the whole thing and gone on enjoying His existence as He had for an eternity.

GC

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(August 8, 2017 at 12:44 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote:

(August 8, 2017 at 9:39 am)Godscreated Wrote:  You have mistakes probably from misunderstanding. Christ was certainly referred to as the Lamb of God because lambs where the sacrifice the at the Passover in Egypt. Jesus was/is God, God in the flesh and was no animal lead to the slaughter, He volunteered to be the sacrifice for mankind, we are His creation and He took on the responsibility of being the sacrificial lamb for mankind. Christ's sacrifice was no ritual, no previous sacrifice had ever risen from the dead.

GC

Oh, we understand.  We just don't buy it.

 If you truly understood you wouldn't be an atheist.

GC

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(August 8, 2017 at 1:59 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: How about "G" and "Mini-G?"

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(August 7, 2017 at 8:21 pm)Godscreated Wrote: We were ahead of you long ago, you've never given anything worth hearing, so being worthy of an argument is completely out.

The father, Son and Holy Spirit are and have always been. Jesus called God the Father both God and Father and referred to himself as Son. We Christians have no problem distinguishing between the three of the Triune God. The problems is with you and the other atheist here, it really isn't hard if you gave it a little bit of effort.

GC

The trinity. When one gawd just isn't enough for your mono-theism.

 He is one God revealed in three persons, who all are completely like minded in every thought.

GC

(August 8, 2017 at 9:39 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(August 7, 2017 at 8:38 pm)chimp3 Wrote: No Father would have his son murdered because other peoples kids misbehaved. Like the Parah Adumah being raised by cattle breeders to use as a sacrifice for the Third Temple, Jesus was more like livestock raised by a cattleman for ritual slaughter. So a breeder / chattel relationship is more accurate.

 You have mistakes probably from misunderstanding. Christ was certainly referred to as the Lamb of God because lambs where the sacrifice the at the Passover in Egypt. Jesus was/is God, God in the flesh and was no animal lead to the slaughter, He volunteered to be the sacrifice for mankind, we are His creation and He took on the responsibility of being the sacrificial lamb for mankind. Christ's sacrifice was no ritual, no previous sacrifice had ever risen from the dead.

GC

G-C is under the misapprehension that if he repeats the same stupid bullshit story often enough that we will believe it.  He can't grasp that what works on simpletons like him will not work on us.

(August 9, 2017 at 1:29 am)Minimalist Wrote:

(August 8, 2017 at 9:39 am)Godscreated Wrote:  You have mistakes probably from misunderstanding. Christ was certainly referred to as the Lamb of God because lambs where the sacrifice the at the Passover in Egypt. Jesus was/is God, God in the flesh and was no animal lead to the slaughter, He volunteered to be the sacrifice for mankind, we are His creation and He took on the responsibility of being the sacrificial lamb for mankind. Christ's sacrifice was no ritual, no previous sacrifice had ever risen from the dead.

GC

G-C is under the misapprehension that if he repeats the same stupid bullshit story often enough that we will believe it.  He can't grasp that what works on simpletons like him will not work on us.

 I'm explaining God as the Bible does, it's not my fault you can't grasp this.

GC

(August 9, 2017 at 1:00 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(August 8, 2017 at 10:14 am)chimp3 Wrote: Pretty sick shit! Sick when that myth was generated and sick when repeated by you.

 Sick, really, the God of the universe sacrificed His life for us, it doesn't get any more awesome than that. He could have just wiped us out and put an end to the whole thing and gone on enjoying His existence as He had for an eternity.

Revel in your torture fantasy. Your limited sadist god had no other choice , kill his son, or everyone must die. That's like making a religion out of a Tobe Hooper movie.

(August 9, 2017 at 1:34 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(August 9, 2017 at 1:29 am)Minimalist Wrote: G-C is under the misapprehension that if he repeats the same stupid bullshit story often enough that we will believe it.  He can't grasp that what works on simpletons like him will not work on us.

 I'm explaining God as the Bible does, it's not my fault you can't grasp this.

GC

We grasp it.  We just don't have the emotional need to swallow the crap like you do.

(August 5, 2017 at 2:59 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: ..I'm aware of the limitation of words and wordsmithing, but the term "Father and Son" in regards to God and Jesus is so far off the mark that to use it is equivalent of heresy.
There has to be a better way of saying it.

Not sure I understand what you're getting at mate, but all Christians are God's son's and daughters, not just Jesus..
"I will be a Father to you, and you shall be my sons and daughters says the Lord." (2 Cor 6:17/18 )

It's as if God is a Star Wars-type 'Force' filling the universe like he said-
"I fill heaven and earth" (Jeremiah 23:23/4)

And true Christians have "mindmelded" with Jesus to tap into that force and be in harmony with the universe,
that's why they're kool, calm, unflappable, confident and fearless..
"On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you" (John 14:20)

I'm reminded of something attributed to Abraham Lincoln:

If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a sheep have??

4

Calling a tail a leg does not make it a leg.


So, circling back to the topic, calling the relationship between God and Jesus "father and son" doesn't make it "father and son", and believing it to be is not consistent with any possibility of Salvation.

Can the folks defending the appellation of "father and son" cite an example in what, for lack of a better term, I'll call real life?

Is there a Melvin (age 83) and Bruce Wiltfang (age 58) of Rascal Corners, Ohio*, who share the same relationship between themselves that Jesus and God share?? How about somewhere in India?? South America???


Come on, trot out an example. (I'd request a Venn diagram or even a family tree of God Jesus, but I think I might be taxing intellects too much as it is)


*I'm trying to prompt someone to come forward with an example

(August 9, 2017 at 7:36 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:

(August 9, 2017 at 1:34 am)Godscreated Wrote:  I'm explaining God as the Bible does, it's not my fault you can't grasp this.

GC

We grasp it.  We just don't have the emotional need to swallow the crap like you do.

  No you do not grasp it or you would be a Christian, you haven't the fortitude to seek Jesus.

GC

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(August 9, 2017 at 11:29 am)vorlon13 Wrote: I'm reminded of something attributed to Abraham Lincoln:

If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a sheep have??

4

Calling a tail a leg does not make it a leg.


So, circling back to the topic, calling the relationship between God and Jesus "father and son" doesn't make it "father and son", and believing it to be is not consistent with any possibility of Salvation.

They call each other Father and Son and we have no reason to believe differently and yes believing it has everything to do with salvation, an atheist trying to teach the Bible to Christians, now that is a joke.

vorlon13 Wrote:Is there a Melvin (age 83)  and Bruce Wiltfang (age 58)  of Rascal Corners, Ohio*, who share the same relationship between themselves that Jesus and God share??  How about somewhere in India??   South America???

Of coarse our relationship is different and I do not believe anyone has said differently. They are God which we will never be and in that alone we differ in relationships.

GC

(August 9, 2017 at 1:00 am)Godscreated Wrote: He is one God revealed in three persons, who all are completely like minded in every thought.

GC

Luke 22:42New International Version (NIV)
42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”

Yep like minded in every thought.

Except this one...

(August 9, 2017 at 7:54 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(August 9, 2017 at 7:36 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: We grasp it.  We just don't have the emotional need to swallow the crap like you do.

  No you do not grasp it or you would be a Christian, you haven't the fortitude to seek Jesus.

GC

Judge not lest ye be...

Never mind. It's GC I'm talking to.