Perhaps my problem is the contradiction in your post. "Most modern grasses are only as old as man...
...We have been pretty instrumental in their global spread, from absolute newcomer 65 million years ago."

Man wasn't instrumental in their global spread from (their or our) absolute newcomer (status of) 65 million years ago.

Just to get back to the OP for a moment, I always find it amusing that fundies ( of all stripes ) think their bible bullshit is so special. Here is a link to the Apache Creation Myth. Really, it isn't any stupider than genesis which the morons think is so superior.

http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/miranda.htm#APACHE

Quote:In the beginning nothing existed -- no earth, no sky, no sun, no moon, only darkness was everywhere. Suddenly from the darkness emerged a thin disc, one side yellow and the other side white, appearing suspended in midair. Within the disc sat a small bearded man, Creator, the One Who Lives Above. As if waking from a long nap, he rubbed his eyes and face with both hands.

When he looked into the endless darkness, light appeared above. He looked down and it became a sea of light. To the east, he created yellow streaks of dawn. To the west, tints of many colors appeared everywhere. There were also clouds of different colors.

Creator wiped his sweating face and rubbed his hands together, thrusting them downward. Behold! A shining cloud upon which sat a little girl. "Stand up and tell me where are you going," said Creator. But she did not reply. He rubbed his eyes again and offered his right hand to the Girl-Without-Parents.

Note that from the outset even the Apache dismissed the idea that 'god' sat around jerking off until he decided to start creating things.

Perhaps I should have worded it differently. The grasses themselves were newcomers 65 million years ago, and their most punctuated moments of expansion have occurred since the rise of man. I will edit.

(July 31, 2011 at 12:57 pm)Skeptic Wrote: Is there a way to tell what's meant to be just a story in the bible and what's meant to be real?

Erm, when you are reading the bible, if your sphincter tightens up, you are most likely reading bullshit. That will most likely occur most of the time.

(July 31, 2011 at 12:57 pm)Skeptic Wrote: Is there a way to tell what's meant to be just a story in the bible and what's meant to be real?

Personally I check a few concordances for a verified interpretation.

lol
You christians and your silly stories.


THE THOUGHTS OF GOD SOME TIME DURING CREATION:

I'm going to make a lot of little people on this particular little planet. I could make them all at the same time, but I'm going to start with just two. I'm going to end up giving them their own free-will by testing them with a magical tree. I already know they're going to fail this test, because I'm all-knowing, but I'm going to give it to them anyway. Not only am I going to punish these two people for disobeying me and eating some fruit, I'm also going to let this decision of theirs decide the fate for all of mankind - for all eternity. Yeah, that seems fair to me.

I think also, I'm only going to reveal myself to a handful of them. I really want them to just blindly believe in me and my almighty power, I don't really need them to know me per say. I can't be bugged by these peons on a daily basis. Besides, if everybody knows I exist, what would be the point? Free-will would be legitimate and my creation of hell would be totally pointless. I'll answer a couple prayers here and there, and I'll save a puppy once in awhile - that should be enough to for them to believe in my existence ... even though I already know it won't be. Maybe eventually I could even show up on earth and tell everyone I'm god ... or maybe the son of god ... you know, just something that will justify the punishment and torture I'm already planning on inflicting on these sinful bastards.

Sin! That's perfect. It's not my fault you're going to hell. I'll tell them its because they won't stop sinning. Perfect! I am a god!

And you call Christians for their silly stories?

(August 1, 2011 at 4:54 am)Cinjin Wrote: lol
You christians and your silly stories.


THE THOUGHTS OF GOD SOME TIME DURING CREATION:

I'm going to make a lot of little people on this particular little planet. I could make them all at the same time, but I'm going to start with just two. I'm going to end up giving them their own free-will by testing them with a magical tree. I already know they're going to fail this test, because I'm all-knowing, but I'm going to give it to them anyway. Not only am I going to punish these two people for disobeying me and eating some fruit, I'm also going to let this decision of theirs decide the fate for all of mankind - for all eternity. Yeah, that seems fair to me.

I think also, I'm only going to reveal myself to a handful of them. I really want them to just blindly believe in me and my almighty power, I don't really need them to know me per say. I can't be bugged by these peons on a daily basis. Besides, if everybody knows I exist, what would be the point? Free-will would be legitimate and my creation of hell would be totally pointless. I'll answer a couple prayers here and there, and I'll save a puppy once in awhile - that should be enough to for them to believe in my existence ... even though I already know it won't be. Maybe eventually I could even show up on earth and tell everyone I'm god ... or maybe the son of god ... you know, just something that will justify the punishment and torture I'm already planning on inflicting on these sinful bastards.

Sin! That's perfect. It's not my fault you're going to hell. I'll tell them its because they won't stop sinning. Perfect! I am a god!

Now who's making deluded statments.

(August 1, 2011 at 7:00 am)Godschild Wrote: Now who's making deluded statments.

That would still be you

(July 31, 2011 at 10:03 am)Ace Otana Wrote: Couldn't answer that one could ya?

Why would god put the tree there in the first place? Any parent should know not to put anything potentially harmful in front of their kids. You wouldn't put a dangerous tool in your toddlers bedroom then blame the toddler for touching it. You as the parent should know better. Same applies to god, he should of known better. Plus being all knowing means he did but did nothing.

Also what doesn't make any lick of sense is what was the purpose of the tree? Why was the snake there, how did the snake get there? Why did god do nothing? Why does god blame his creation instead of himself who designed and created it? Who even knew of it's entire future?! Seems like it was all done on purpose. Because I really could of done a far better job.
If I can do better than your god, then you can safely assume that your god was made up.

@ Ace, Kayenneh, edk 141 First off the serpant was not a snake, snakes crawl around on their bellies and the serpant was condemned to this condition by God, this means that the serpant had a different means of getting around before God made it to crawl around on it's belly, I hope this puts an end to this snake deal.
Yes any responsible parent will child proof their home as best as they can. How is it that you believe that you can apply your flawed thinking to an omniscient being. Adam and Eve were created as fully functional people, read the story and the responsiblities God gave them, if they were child like they would not have been able to do these things, being fully responsible functional adults with the knowledge of right and wrong God gave them one thing not to do, eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, God created them perfect and He wanted them to stay in that innocent state of being. However God could not receive the love He desired from them if He did not give them the freedom to choose between Him and the evil Lucifer brought into existance. Hence the choice, the tree was placed there so they cold exercise their right to choose, if God had not put the tree in the garden then their freewill would have been a deception by God and God could not deceive them, it's not in His nature. It seems no one remembers that God walked with Adam and Eve in the garden every day, I'm thinking that during these walks God imparted knowledge to them that was useful to their lives as caretakers of this beautiful garden and enjoyed the relationship they were building, a relationship of love. Most people do not even realize that Lucifer was with God in the garden as He talked with Adam and Eve, in this time that Lucifer was there he probably was able to determine their weaknesses when they talked to God and during this time Adam and Eve saw Lucifer as the perfect being God had created him to be. When Lucifer and the rest of the fallen angels lost the war to over throw God he was banished to earth and here he seized the opportunity to deceive Adam and Eve, he knew he could not appear before them as a fallen angel because they woud have seen the change in him and not trusted him, they also would have been supicious as to why he was there without God. This is why he used the serpent to tempt Eve, he knew Eve would not be so untrusting of the serpent.Now Adam ans Eve knew nothing of the pysical death because to this point in time nothing had died, they did know of spiritual death because God told them if they ate from the tree of good and evil they would die and I,m sure He explained to them that it was a spirtual death, He did not explain physical death until they ate the forbiden fruit, again read the story. Lucifer knew this also and the conversation between himself and Eve was of a spiritual nature not physical, again read the story. Lucifer himself did not know of physical death until after his fall, all of God's creation was dealing with the spiritual nature, so Lucifer knew Adam and Eve would not have understood about physical death, that's why he tempted them by saying they would be like God, powerful with this new knowledge. Know you all think this is a bunch of nonsense, you asked the questions and I replied, so have at it if that is what pleases you, I given you the truth as I see it.

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(August 1, 2011 at 7:06 am)Kayenneh Wrote:

(August 1, 2011 at 7:00 am)Godschild Wrote: Now who's making deluded statments.

That would still be you

No, not in reality.