(August 10, 2017 at 7:33 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:

(August 9, 2017 at 7:54 pm)Godscreated Wrote:   No you do not grasp it or you would be a Christian, you haven't the fortitude to seek Jesus.

GC

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Fortitude=Gullibility.

 You sir need a dictionary.

GC

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(August 10, 2017 at 12:04 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:

(August 10, 2017 at 12:10 am)Godscreated Wrote: That was the human side of Jesus praying, He knew what the next morning would bring. Yet He accepted as a man the will of God. An example you should follow.

Typical twisted christer thinking. Whatever helps you sleep at night, princess.

I sleep fine and it is because of my knowledge of God. Think what you want but you'll never teach a Christian about God and His word.

(August 9, 2017 at 7:54 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  Yep it's me and you should know not to use scripture that doesn't apply to a conversation... or did you just forget the rest. There was no judgement so none was intended.

GC

Make a judgement about someone's character then deny you're doing it. Yep, it's you alright.[/quote]

 I judged no one, unlike you.

GC

(August 10, 2017 at 2:10 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(August 10, 2017 at 7:33 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: Fortitude=Gullibility.

 You sir need a dictionary.

GC

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(August 10, 2017 at 12:04 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: Typical twisted christer thinking. Whatever helps you sleep at night, princess.

I sleep fine and it is because of my knowledge of God. Think what you want but you'll never teach a Christian about God and His word.

(August 9, 2017 at 7:54 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  Yep it's me and you should know not to use scripture that doesn't apply to a conversation... or did you just forget the rest. There was no judgement so none was intended.

GC

Make a judgement about someone's character then deny you're doing it. Yep, it's you alright.

 I judged no one, unlike you.

GC
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Because it's not judgement if it comes from a christian, huh?

(August 10, 2017 at 12:07 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: And why didn't Jesus know why God had forsaken Him on the cross ???

Godboy shudda been able to noodle that one out with both hands tied behind his back, let alone nailed to a board.

Also , why the last minute pleading for a reprieve in the garden of Gesthemane? Poor boy and his abusive daddy.

(August 10, 2017 at 2:26 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote:

(August 10, 2017 at 2:10 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  You sir need a dictionary.

GC

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I sleep fine and it is because of my knowledge of God. Think what you want but you'll never teach a Christian about God and His word.


Make a judgement about someone's character then deny you're doing it. Yep, it's you alright.

 I judged no one, unlike you.

GC

Because it's not judgement if it comes from a christian, huh?
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Unfortunately there are Christians who do. You show me where I've judged in this conversation.

GC

(August 5, 2017 at 2:59 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: For God and Jesus.  Father and Son.  Think about it.  Their relationship is fundamentally different than any human father and son EVER.  Use of the phrase, to me, seems to deny the scope/extent/degree/nature of their relationship and misleads those attempting to be faithful to them.

Just throwing this out, but the relationship might be more akin to budding, although I concur it is incomplete too, but less misleading than the 'father and son' label.  

Additionally, 'Father and son' implies (asserts?) a genetic contribution from Mary.  That can't be possible, as the (for lack of a better term) resultant hybrid would definitely NOT be the original, and would be denying the Trinity in it's essential constitution, which we know to be false.

I'm aware of the limitation of words and wordsmithing, but the term "Father and Son" in regards to God and Jesus is so far off the mark that to use it is equivalent of heresy.

There has to be a better way of saying it.

Actually if you ever studied the relationship between Father and son in the OT or more specifically under the laws of moses you would find that the Father and son example is what the law of moses is trying to establish in the people of Israel.

Usage of the term in this era is misleading to your contemporaries, however. They hear "Father and Son" from a pulpit and they are going to think of dear old dad and themselves as the reference standard, two distinct individuals, and their resultant understanding of the Trinity will be incorrect and their resultant belief will not garner Salvation as they are denying, unaware, and mistaken about the true nature of Christ as, you note, it has been revealed in Scripture.

And as always, it's even worse for the Mormons. If you have a copy of the Tanner book, read the chapter on their idea of how all that works as revealed (confusingly) by Joe Smith, and further scrambled by Brigham Young. I'd hold open the possibility God Himself might be perplexed as to what to do with Mormons as even He won't be able to make heads or tails of it. It's VERY clear the Mormons can't. They might even be impervious to a revisional revelation as we might expect the new revelation to note where the current belief is lacking and how it should be modified, and they won't be able to process that.

(August 11, 2017 at 4:04 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Usage of the term in this era is misleading to your contemporaries, however.  They hear "Father and Son" from a pulpit and they are going to think of dear old dad and themselves as the reference standard, two distinct individuals, and their resultant understanding of the Trinity will be incorrect and their resultant belief will not garner Salvation as they are denying, unaware, and mistaken about  the true nature of Christ as, you note, it has been revealed in Scripture.

 Christians understand the relationship between God the Father and God the Son, they know it's not like that of an earthly father and a earthly son.
Why would you think differently, because you do not understand.

GC

(August 10, 2017 at 11:59 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Unfortunately there are Christians who do. You show me where I've judged in this conversation.

GC

You refuse to see it even when your nose is rubbed in it.

(August 10, 2017 at 11:59 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Unfortunately there are Christians who do. You show me where I've judged in this conversation.

GC

Ooh, can I play?

How about...

(August 12, 2017 at 11:26 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Christians understand the relationship between God the Father and God the Son, they know it's not like that of an earthly father and a earthly son.
Why would you think differently, because you do not understand.

GC

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Better yet, how about helping us poor misguided heathens to understand, rather than merely pointing it out and leaving us to flounder in our ignorance? Sort of how a teacher would?

(August 13, 2017 at 10:11 am)Cyberman Wrote:

(August 12, 2017 at 11:26 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Christians understand the relationship between God the Father and God the Son, they know it's not like that of an earthly father and a earthly son.
Why would you think differently, because you do not understand.

GC

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Better yet, how about helping us poor misguided heathens to understand, rather than merely pointing it out and leaving us to flounder in our ignorance? Sort of how a teacher would?

 I've given you books, papers and pencils and have tried to teach you and I always find you sitting around chewing the erasers off the pencils instead of listening.

GC