(August 12, 2017 at 12:57 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(August 11, 2017 at 3:03 pm)Drich Wrote: If Jesus says do ABCD and the pope corrects that teaching and says it was recorded in error do 1234 who instruction would you follow???

I cannot think of a clear example of where the Church of Rome directly contradicts any scriptural mandate. There is definitely some room for dispute about the role of confession, the nature of the eucharist, apostolic succession, etc. I think you will find that the papal encyclicals and such are much more nuanced than protestants give them credit. At the same time, the language they contain can seem a little weasily from the outside looking in.

Scriptural mandate? Do go on. You have the floor.

I still think the OP is a daft question.

(August 12, 2017 at 9:48 pm)Succubus Wrote:

(August 12, 2017 at 12:57 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I cannot think of a clear example of where the Church of Rome directly contradicts any scriptural mandate. There is definitely some room for dispute about the role of confession, the nature of the eucharist, apostolic succession, etc. I think you will find that the papal encyclicals and such are much more nuanced than protestants give them credit. At the same time, the language they contain can seem a little weasily from the outside looking in.

Scriptural mandate? Do go on. You have the floor.

I still think the OP is a daft question.

The Great Commision, for one.

I'd like to add that I particularly really like mormons. All the mormons I've ever met have been really down to earth, super good people.

(August 13, 2017 at 6:44 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'd like to add that I particularly really like mormons. All the mormons I've ever met have been really down to earth, super good people.

Well that's only on the surface because they do secretly go through life under tremendous pressures: pressure to keep smiling, pressure to conform, pressure to get married in the Temple, pressure to have lots of children, pressure to be the perfect wife/husband/child, pressure to be straight, pressure to squelch doubts, pressure to devote all their free time to the church, pressure to uphold untenable dogma, pressure to be financially successful, pressure to maintain appearances, pressure to always say that you’re happy. Just ask them and they will tell you so. It is no coincidence that Utah ranks number one in incidents of depression and suicides, nationwide. 1 & 2

Also Utah leads the nation in fraud because of the Mormons. source

They are also very agressive toward non-Mormons as witnessed by their aggressive campaign to pump money and volunteer hours into the notorious anti-gay Proposition 8 in California, as well as their less visible decades-long efforts against lesbian and gay rights, documented in films like 8: The Mormon Proposition (2010).

Or their polygamy? It doesn't bother you that many women and children are being brought up in isolated, inbred, fundamentalist compounds? That Mormons are marrying women that are still young teenagers? They usually legally marry just one wife, the others are wed in purely religious ceremonies without any marriage license where mothers give birth every year. Then majority of them is on welfare and lives in severe poverty. Most polygamist groups rely heavily on food stamps, Medicaid, economic development funds, and other government services to support their enormous families. Many plural wives are on welfare as "single mothers." They call working the system this way "bleeding the beast," an intentional effort to bring down the U.S. government.

We're not talking here polygamy as in recent TV shows like "Big Love" or "Sister Wives" where they are educated consensual adults who chose this lifestyle. We're talking about 13 and 14 year old girls marrying men in their late 40s and older. You should read book "God's Brothel" by investigative journalist Andrea Moore-Emmett to learn more, like the case of Laura Chapman who was born and raised in the FLDS, in a household of 36 people, including four wives and 31 children; she was the 25th child born. Today, in her 40s, she's an anti-polygamy activist.

(August 12, 2017 at 12:57 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(August 11, 2017 at 3:03 pm)Drich Wrote: If Jesus says do ABCD and the pope corrects that teaching and says it was recorded in error do 1234 who instruction would you follow???

I cannot think of a clear example of where the Church of Rome directly contradicts any scriptural mandate. There is definitely some room for dispute about the role of confession, the nature of the eucharist, apostolic succession, etc. I think you will find that the papal encyclicals and such are much more nuanced than protestants give them credit. At the same time, the language they contain can seem a little weasily from the outside looking in.

Really?!?! do you want clear examples?
1 tim 4:1-5 Warns us of false teachers. one of the first things that identifies a false teacher is a restriction for anyone to marry. This includes those who serve God. Matter of fact we are told that should any of us burn with passion we should marry.

Then there is this whole other issue of worshiping (worship being defined as: verb 1. show reverence and adoration for; honor with religious rites.) Saints and angels. We are clearly told NOT to do this. Yet The R/C church not only endorses this practice but enforces and defines which demi god/saint to pray to for what you are suffering from. These men/saints have no place nor power outside what The Holy Spirit enables them to do. Even Christ as a man was empowered by the Holy Spirit (His words) therefore our worship should be directed to the Holy Spirit/God and not any man. So to pray to or worship anyone but God is a form of idolatry. which again is in direct violation of God's law.

There is also relic worship. that is the empowerment of items deemed holy in that they retain power from the original user. This as people seeking things for salvation or relief and not God, again another form of idolatry.

(August 14, 2017 at 10:04 am)Drich Wrote:

(August 12, 2017 at 12:57 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I cannot think of a clear example of where the Church of Rome directly contradicts any scriptural mandate. There is definitely some room for dispute about the role of confession, the nature of the eucharist, apostolic succession, etc. I think you will find that the papal encyclicals and such are much more nuanced than protestants give them credit. At the same time, the language they contain can seem a little weasily from the outside looking in.

Really?!?! do you want clear examples?
1 tim 4:1-5 Warns us of false teachers. one of the first things that identifies a false teacher is a restriction for anyone to marry. This includes those who serve God. Matter of fact we are told that should any of us burn with passion we should marry.

Then there is this whole other issue of worshiping (worship being defined as: verb 1. show reverence and adoration for; honor with religious rites.) Saints and angels. We are clearly told NOT to do this. Yet The R/C church not only endorses this practice but enforces and defines which demi god/saint to pray to for what you are suffering from. These men/saints have no place nor power outside what The Holy Spirit enables them to do. Even Christ as a man was empowered by the Holy Spirit (His words) therefore our worship should be directed to the Holy Spirit/God and not any man. So to pray to or worship anyone but God is a form of idolatry. which again is in direct violation of God's law.

There is also relic worship. that is the empowerment of items deemed holy in that they retain power from the original user. This as people seeking things for salvation or relief and not God, again another form of idolatry.

Cat fight!  Can't wait for them to duke it out to see whose the dumbest.  My money is on Drippy.

(August 14, 2017 at 2:53 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:

(August 13, 2017 at 6:44 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'd like to add that I particularly really like mormons. All the mormons I've ever met have been really down to earth, super good people.

Well that's only on the surface because they do secretly go through life under tremendous pressures: pressure to keep smiling, pressure to conform, pressure to get married in the Temple, pressure to have lots of children, pressure to be the perfect wife/husband/child, pressure to be straight, pressure to squelch doubts, pressure to devote all their free time to the church, pressure to uphold untenable dogma, pressure to be financially successful, pressure to maintain appearances, pressure to always say that you’re happy. Just ask them and they will tell you so. It is no coincidence that Utah ranks number one in incidents of depression and suicides, nationwide. 1 & 2

Also Utah leads the nation in fraud because of the Mormons. source

They are also very agressive toward non-Mormons as witnessed by their aggressive campaign to pump money and volunteer hours into the notorious anti-gay Proposition 8 in California, as well as their less visible decades-long efforts against lesbian and gay rights, documented in films like 8: The Mormon Proposition (2010).

Or their polygamy? It doesn't bother you that many women and children are being brought up in isolated, inbred, fundamentalist compounds? That Mormons are marrying women that are still young teenagers? They usually legally marry just one wife, the others are wed in purely religious ceremonies without any marriage license where mothers give birth every year. Then majority of them is on welfare and lives in severe poverty. Most polygamist groups rely heavily on food stamps, Medicaid, economic development funds, and other government services to support their enormous families. Many plural wives are on welfare as "single mothers." They call working the system this way "bleeding the beast," an intentional effort to bring down the U.S. government.

We're not talking here polygamy as in recent TV shows like "Big Love" or "Sister Wives" where they are educated consensual adults who chose this lifestyle. We're talking about 13 and 14 year old girls marrying men in their late 40s and older. You should read book "God's Brothel" by investigative journalist Andrea Moore-Emmett to learn more, like the case of Laura Chapman who was born and raised in the FLDS, in a household of 36 people, including four wives and 31 children; she was the 25th child born. Today, in her 40s, she's an anti-polygamy activist.

I wasn't talking about the FLDS. I was talking about mainstream Mormons. Yes, all the Mormons I've ever met have been salt of the earth people, and I like them.

(August 14, 2017 at 10:18 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:

(August 14, 2017 at 10:04 am)Drich Wrote: Really?!?! do you want clear examples?
1 tim 4:1-5 Warns us of false teachers. one of the first things that identifies a false teacher is a restriction for anyone to marry. This includes those who serve God. Matter of fact we are told that should any of us burn with passion we should marry.

Then there is this whole other issue of worshiping (worship being defined as: verb 1. show reverence and adoration for; honor with religious rites.) Saints and angels. We are clearly told NOT to do this. Yet The R/C church not only endorses this practice but enforces and defines which demi god/saint to pray to for what you are suffering from. These men/saints have no place nor power outside what The Holy Spirit enables them to do. Even Christ as a man was empowered by the Holy Spirit (His words) therefore our worship should be directed to the Holy Spirit/God and not any man. So to pray to or worship anyone but God is a form of idolatry. which again is in direct violation of God's law.

There is also relic worship. that is the empowerment of items deemed holy in that they retain power from the original user. This as people seeking things for salvation or relief and not God, again another form of idolatry.

Cat fight!  Can't wait for them to duke it out to see whose the dumbest.  My money is on Drippy.

No.. I not saying one can not be saved and be a catholic I am simply pointing out why "we" (any of us) can not call ourselves Christian. That is a title only Jesus can award. we can only say we follow Christ or not. Even then that i not a prerequisite to salvation, as I can name a whole bunch of names of men who did not follow Christ but will be in Heaven.

(August 14, 2017 at 2:29 pm)Drich Wrote: ......

I just spotted the stupidians

(August 14, 2017 at 2:29 pm)Drich Wrote:

(August 14, 2017 at 10:18 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: Cat fight!  Can't wait for them to duke it out to see whose the dumbest.  My money is on Drippy.

No.. I not saying one can not be saved and be a catholic I am simply pointing out why "we" (any of us) can not call ourselves Christian. That is a title only Jesus can award. we can only say we follow Christ or not. Even then that i not a prerequisite to salvation, as I can name a whole bunch of names of men who did not follow Christ but will be in Heaven.

No, you can't name anyone.  Well, you COULD, but it'd be just your ego claiming to know the mind of your god.  So, go ahead.  It'll probably be a riot.