Lol he has you on ignore because your an idiot. With a persecution complex

(August 22, 2017 at 7:03 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Lol he has you on ignore because your an idiot. With a persecution complex

I actually did read that first reply of his out of morbid curiosity. Sure enough, the stupid cockbiter managed to ignore the fact that I justified every assertion I made in spite of claiming I didn't and asking for evidence. There's no point talking to a dipfuck who ignores reality to that degree.

Depends on how you talk to him.  I enjoy shitting on him and his stupid god.

(August 22, 2017 at 5:20 pm)Drich Wrote:

(August 20, 2017 at 1:14 am)Astonished Wrote: It occurs to me that it doesn't get brought up frequently enough nor strongly enough that apologists' approaches have literally NO thought put into them at all for the most part. So if you happen to be such an apologist/evangelist, maybe reconsider how you go about your shtick if you don't want to come across as entirely thoughtless.

So... no examples just speaking bigotry, stereotypes and prejudice??? Got it.

Quote:1. Magic bullet answers. Saying every question's answer is 'gawd' doesn't just come across as intellectually vapid and lazy, it IS intellectually vapid and lazy. It doesn't speak highly about how much respect you have for the intelligence of whomever you're using this on, either.

what is a magic bullet answer?

Quote:2. Blaming the victim. Instead of being reasonable and actually critically analyzing your god and its imperfections and lies and failures, you'll inevitably point the finger at us for being sinners, or just unwilling to listen for whatever reason.

If you are willing to reason and listen then why is sin such a big deal?

Quote: Nothing will piss someone off quicker than this condescending shit and if you don't understand why, well, you probably wouldn't comprehend it even if it was explained to you (since you wouldn't use that in the first place if you realized how stupid this was.)

Maybe 'pissed off' is apart of the road home. To be pissed off here is to feel you are less or have a short coming in your base morality.. once you can identify that short coming then you can begin to understand God is not even judging people on the sliding moral scale you judge yourself on.
It's ok to be pissed if you do not understand, just don't ignore instruction and clarity when you ask for it.

Quote:3. Presenting things that aren't evidence as evidence.

That's the thing sport. Evidence here follows the evidence allowed and identified in a court. While you pretend to only seek scientific evidence. The problem with only seeking known scientific evidence is that it does not allow for anything not already known. In other words unless it is already accepted as evidence, "it not real evidence" or can you not see your little catch 22?

Quote:This says that you're too lazy and/or inept to do any actual research of your own which, if this is so fucking important to you, seems like your life ought to revolve around it, and if you believe so strongly in it, surely you must have confidence that you can prove it to an unbeliever.

Actually shift goalposts on what 'evidence' is will ever keep the unbeliever at arm's length. In essence "Evidence" should include personal testimony as any court trial would completely depend on.

Quote:But no, it's always someone else's claims that are presented (which are trivially easy to debunk) and it's always something that is either fraudulent, mistaken or simply not anything that in any other context would ever be considered admissible.

Depends on the claim.

Quote: But at least the tangible evidence can be disproved, every other piece of pseudo-evidence isn't even worth the breath wasted mentioning it and can be dismissed outright; what was the point, and what were you thinking bringing it up? Oh, right, you weren't thinking.

no tangable evidence are generally dismissed as 'anomalies.' Anomalies in science and in medicine.

Quote:I'm too tired to keep going for now but there's bound to be lots more. Just please, stop giving us reasons to think that if a fly flew into one of your ears, it would have no trouble crawling through and coming out the other ear like there was nothing in its way.

when ever where ever sport.

It's like your giving examples of every one of his points.  I love it.

(August 23, 2017 at 8:49 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: It's like your giving examples of every one of his points.  I love it.

Right? I mean, what the fuck? I can't even argue with him! This is next-level stupid. At least with Shit-Eating Doofus Rik, he's obviously doing it on purpose. This idiot just seems pathetic.

(August 22, 2017 at 5:32 pm)Drich Wrote:

(August 22, 2017 at 5:26 pm)Astonished Wrote: Dipshitch, I have you on ignore for a reason. Fuck off with your bullshit.

You have me on ignore because I don't follow your little hate speech logic.

Yeah, you have enough on your plate with your own hate speech logic.

(August 20, 2017 at 1:14 am)Astonished Wrote: It occurs to me that it doesn't get brought up frequently enough nor strongly enough that apologists' approaches have literally NO thought put into them at all for the most part. So if you happen to be such an apologist/evangelist, maybe reconsider how you go about your shtick if you don't want to come across as entirely thoughtless.

1. Magic bullet answers. Saying every question's answer is 'gawd' doesn't just come across as intellectually vapid and lazy, it IS intellectually vapid and lazy. It doesn't speak highly about how much respect you have for the intelligence of whomever you're using this on, either.

2. Blaming the victim. Instead of being reasonable and actually critically analyzing your god and its imperfections and lies and failures, you'll inevitably point the finger at us for being sinners, or just unwilling to listen for whatever reason. Nothing will piss someone off quicker than this condescending shit and if you don't understand why, well, you probably wouldn't comprehend it even if it was explained to you (since you wouldn't use that in the first place if you realized how stupid this was.)

3. Presenting things that aren't evidence as evidence. This says that you're too lazy and/or inept to do any actual research of your own which, if this is so fucking important to you, seems like your life ought to revolve around it, and if you believe so strongly in it, surely you must have confidence that you can prove it to an unbeliever. But no, it's always someone else's claims that are presented (which are trivially easy to debunk) and it's always something that is either fraudulent, mistaken or simply not anything that in any other context would ever be considered admissible. But at least the tangible evidence can be disproved, every other piece of pseudo-evidence isn't even worth the breath wasted mentioning it and can be dismissed outright; what was the point, and what were you thinking bringing it up? Oh, right, you weren't thinking.

I'm too tired to keep going for now but there's bound to be lots more. Just please, stop giving us reasons to think that if a fly flew into one of your ears, it would have no trouble crawling through and coming out the other ear like there was nothing in its way.

 You are completely clueless when it comes to Christianity, you really believe we are going to say things we do not believe to satisfy you, think again. You want to reach Christians try using better language, we do fine without using such foul tripe.

GC

(August 24, 2017 at 12:35 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(August 20, 2017 at 1:14 am)Astonished Wrote: It occurs to me that it doesn't get brought up frequently enough nor strongly enough that apologists' approaches have literally NO thought put into them at all for the most part. So if you happen to be such an apologist/evangelist, maybe reconsider how you go about your shtick if you don't want to come across as entirely thoughtless.

1. Magic bullet answers. Saying every question's answer is 'gawd' doesn't just come across as intellectually vapid and lazy, it IS intellectually vapid and lazy. It doesn't speak highly about how much respect you have for the intelligence of whomever you're using this on, either.

2. Blaming the victim. Instead of being reasonable and actually critically analyzing your god and its imperfections and lies and failures, you'll inevitably point the finger at us for being sinners, or just unwilling to listen for whatever reason. Nothing will piss someone off quicker than this condescending shit and if you don't understand why, well, you probably wouldn't comprehend it even if it was explained to you (since you wouldn't use that in the first place if you realized how stupid this was.)

3. Presenting things that aren't evidence as evidence. This says that you're too lazy and/or inept to do any actual research of your own which, if this is so fucking important to you, seems like your life ought to revolve around it, and if you believe so strongly in it, surely you must have confidence that you can prove it to an unbeliever. But no, it's always someone else's claims that are presented (which are trivially easy to debunk) and it's always something that is either fraudulent, mistaken or simply not anything that in any other context would ever be considered admissible. But at least the tangible evidence can be disproved, every other piece of pseudo-evidence isn't even worth the breath wasted mentioning it and can be dismissed outright; what was the point, and what were you thinking bringing it up? Oh, right, you weren't thinking.

I'm too tired to keep going for now but there's bound to be lots more. Just please, stop giving us reasons to think that if a fly flew into one of your ears, it would have no trouble crawling through and coming out the other ear like there was nothing in its way.

 You are completely clueless when it comes to Christianity, you really believe we are going to say things we do not believe to satisfy you, think again. You want to reach Christians try using better language, we do fine without using such foul tripe.

GC

Oh, really, jackwad? What are any of you going to say that you sincerely believe will satisfy us? Rational skeptics, that is, not simple blank-slate atheists. And you really need to look in a mirror before you call someone else clueless, you schizophrenic sad sack head case. And I don't give a shit if I reach Xtians, I want them to shut the fuck up if they don't have any evidence to back up their claims like any sane person would. And it doesn't seem to me like you do fine whether or not you use 'foul tripe'. Atheism is the fastest growing opinion on the god question that doesn't involve child abuse.

(August 24, 2017 at 12:35 am)Godscreated Wrote:  You are completely clueless when it comes to Christianity, you really believe we are going to say things we do not believe to satisfy you, think again. You want to reach Christians try using better language, we do fine without using such foul tripe.

GC

Reach christians?  Is this an outreach forum?  You came to us.  If you want to reach us poor non-believers, you're going to need more than....anything any believer has posted so far.

(August 24, 2017 at 12:35 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(August 20, 2017 at 1:14 am)Astonished Wrote: It occurs to me that it doesn't get brought up frequently enough nor strongly enough that apologists' approaches have literally NO thought put into them at all for the most part. So if you happen to be such an apologist/evangelist, maybe reconsider how you go about your shtick if you don't want to come across as entirely thoughtless.

1. Magic bullet answers. Saying every question's answer is 'gawd' doesn't just come across as intellectually vapid and lazy, it IS intellectually vapid and lazy. It doesn't speak highly about how much respect you have for the intelligence of whomever you're using this on, either.

2. Blaming the victim. Instead of being reasonable and actually critically analyzing your god and its imperfections and lies and failures, you'll inevitably point the finger at us for being sinners, or just unwilling to listen for whatever reason. Nothing will piss someone off quicker than this condescending shit and if you don't understand why, well, you probably wouldn't comprehend it even if it was explained to you (since you wouldn't use that in the first place if you realized how stupid this was.)

3. Presenting things that aren't evidence as evidence. This says that you're too lazy and/or inept to do any actual research of your own which, if this is so fucking important to you, seems like your life ought to revolve around it, and if you believe so strongly in it, surely you must have confidence that you can prove it to an unbeliever. But no, it's always someone else's claims that are presented (which are trivially easy to debunk) and it's always something that is either fraudulent, mistaken or simply not anything that in any other context would ever be considered admissible. But at least the tangible evidence can be disproved, every other piece of pseudo-evidence isn't even worth the breath wasted mentioning it and can be dismissed outright; what was the point, and what were you thinking bringing it up? Oh, right, you weren't thinking.

I'm too tired to keep going for now but there's bound to be lots more. Just please, stop giving us reasons to think that if a fly flew into one of your ears, it would have no trouble crawling through and coming out the other ear like there was nothing in its way.

 You are completely clueless when it comes to Christianity, you really believe we are going to say things we do not believe to satisfy you, think again. You want to reach Christians try using better language, we do fine without using such foul tripe.

GC

Generally I keep him on ignore because he is so foul, irrational, and pathetic. But because I believe in second chances, I decided to read his OP. It is the last thing I'll ever read from him. He can preach to the converted all he wants but I will not be giving this sad sorry little child any more consideration. The OP is nothing but straw man arguments sewn together with the thread of self-righteousness.