Spiritual presence? The truth is it can be really exciting believing in things that don't exist. Like believing in Bigfoot can be really exciting and can fulfill your time like anything else. That's why there are people who go into the forests all worked up about Bigfoot and are convinced they certainly heard them and even saw them for few seconds. Especially when they mix other things like missing people with Bigfoot and conclude this is one of the evidence that Bigfoot exists because people go missing every day and can't be found so it must be Bigfoot.

And that's why it's alluring to close yourself in your room and listen shows like c2c am where they talk about these things as if they are so real that they're just around the corner. If you only watched the sky long enough you'd see saucers and if you went deep enough into the forest you'd defeneatly hear Bigfoot. But then again sooner-or-later you would have to leave your room and encounter that majority of people don't hold these things to be true. You'll be weird. So you'll have to resort to beliefs that there are evil organizations that hold the truth; that delude people that they're not seeing saucers. Because these aliens want to enlighten humans and yet humans won't accept them.

Unlike religion where you can fill your head with nonsense, like "Man in the sky made whole universe in 6 days" or "There are flying invisible humans around us that take care of us" and you'll find enough people to applaud you for it. Although you'll still have to resort to similar "explanation" of evil forces influencing people so that they can't see what you think you see and feel what you think you feel, because they don't exist.

(August 22, 2017 at 10:42 pm)ScienceAf Wrote:

(August 21, 2017 at 6:29 am)chimp3 Wrote: If you asked me "Where's your morals?' I would just call that a debate. I would answer you and so would others. Morality without gods is a common debate on atheist forums.

Well i mean, what if I didnt want a debate

Try asking the question sometime. A debate will ensue.

I love that we have a "I found god" thread in which another one of the faithful pops up to say "Watch out for demons!"

Has anyone said "we didn't know god was lost" yet?

(August 22, 2017 at 10:42 pm)ScienceAf Wrote:

(August 21, 2017 at 9:57 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: and now you're evolution denying Christian? It seems you were an atheist just like Kirk Cameron claims he was an atheist. If you were truly an atheist, like any one of us, then you would understand evolution and would not go to a state where you suddenly not understand it and embarrass yourself à la Kirk Cameron and his banana proves Jesus fiasco.

Not exactly

So have you figured out which books from the Bible you will acknowledge as real and which as lies? From your answer I guess "Genesis" is definitely out. I guess parts about Noah and the flood are also not something you'll be for. But what about Moses? Will you believe those stories are true? I mean there is no evidence of him existing either. But then it's all very tricky because you plan to believe in Jesus and yet Jesus is described as someone who thought all those characters, like Adam and Noah, really existed. So now what? How do you reconcile those?

(August 21, 2017 at 4:35 am)ScienceAf Wrote: I, I know I've said things, many things about my views on god,

I do not have 100 percent certainty but I feel god, i sound like an idiot to more than the many of you, i know

There could be many gods, there could be another being, but when I feel my love I feel it go into me and a god.

It is not the God of Islam, Allah, for his morals contradict the so called benefits I humanity

I do not know the tales of the Torah, but it's just basics to capitalism, amirite? XD (I am capitalist, it was a joke, lmao)

I do however know a fair amount of the Christian God, nameless or not, I know the changes, the reforms.

Catholisim, the Bible is interpreted by the Church, the Church tells you what they think is good, (I, in New York assume things are pretty good)
Protastanism is your own individual study, I dont know why everyone must see the bible so differently in one denomination

i think your wrong in what you say. if you knew about the Christian god you would follow him and stay with him because of his attributes and his message and what he does and did for the people.

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(August 23, 2017 at 2:59 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Spiritual presence? The truth is it can be really exciting believing in things that don't exist. Like believing in Bigfoot can be really exciting and can fulfill your time like anything else. That's why there are people who go into the forests all worked up about Bigfoot and are convinced they certainly heard them and even saw them for few seconds. Especially when they mix other things like missing people with Bigfoot and conclude this is one of the evidence that Bigfoot exists because people go missing every day and can't be found so it must be Bigfoot.

And that's why it's alluring to close yourself in your room and listen shows like c2c am where they talk about these things as if they are so real that they're just around the corner. If you only watched the sky long enough you'd see saucers and if you went deep enough into the forest you'd defeneatly hear Bigfoot. But then again sooner-or-later you would have to leave your room and encounter that majority of people don't hold these things to be true. You'll be weird. So you'll have to resort to beliefs that there are evil organizations that hold the truth; that delude people that they're not seeing saucers. Because these aliens want to enlighten humans and yet humans won't accept them.

Unlike religion where you can fill your head with nonsense, like "Man in the sky made whole universe in 6 days" or "There are flying invisible humans around us that take care of us" and you'll find enough people to applaud you for it. Although you'll still have to resort to similar "explanation" of evil forces influencing people so that they can't see what you think you see and feel what you think you feel, because they don't exist.

think about the maintenance of the planet and the solar system. it requires someone to watch over it and maintain everything. like near death experiences. evil in the world. good and evil. morals and intelligence. these are things that came from god.

(September 9, 2017 at 9:26 am)Joshua martin pryce Wrote: think about the maintenance of the planet and the solar system. it requires someone to watch over it and maintain everything. like near death experiences. evil in the world. good and evil. morals and intelligence. these are things that came from god.

So what would happen if there was not a god to watch over and maintain the planet and solar system? What does this maintenance actually consist of?

Joshua martin pryce Wrote:think about the maintenance of the planet and the solar system. it requires someone to watch over it and maintain everything. like near death experiences. evil in the world. good and evil. morals and intelligence. these are things that came from god.

Assertion is the easy part, kid. Every religious founder, conspiracy nut, used car salesman, and conman knows that much.

The tough part comes when you have to back up your claims.

I'll wait.

(August 23, 2017 at 3:57 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Has anyone said "we didn't know god was lost" yet?

Quote:A man is stumbling through the woods, totally drunk, when he comes upon a preacher baptizing people in the river. He proceeds to walk into the water and subsequently bumps into the preacher. The preacher turns around and is almost overcome by the smell of alcohol, whereupon he asks the drunk, "Are you ready to find Jesus?"

The drunk answers, "Yes, I am."

So the preacher grabs him and dunks him in the water. He pulls him up and asks the drunk, "Brother have you found Jesus?"

The drunk replies, "No, I haven't found Jesus yet."

The preacher shocked at the answer, dunks him into the water again for a little longer. He again pulls him out of the water and asks again, "Have you found Jesus my brother?"

The drunk again answers, "No, I haven't found Jesus yet."

By this time the preacher is at his wits end and dunks the drunk in the water again --- but this time holds him down for about 30 seconds and when he begins kicking his arms and legs he pulls him up. The preacher again asks the drunk, "For the love of God have you found Jesus?"

The drunk wipes his eyes then catches his breath and says to the preacher, "Are you sure this is where he fell in?"